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KCCD FTES Calculation Webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
Craig Hayward
30:24
Glad to see that Karen is not a cat...
Bill Moseley
30:34
Huge relief
Craig Hayward
30:40
lol
Michelle Pena
30:49
The cat would have been cute though, just saying
Krista
31:25
Yeah for cats!
Craig Hayward
31:26
Too bad...all my questions are feline-related...
Emmanuel (Manny) Mourtzanos
38:13
I remember the 525 hours as deriving from taking 15 units (or 15 contact hours/week) over a 17.5 week semester, for 2 semesters.
Amber A
42:05
I can't unmute
Nick Strobel
42:23
@Bob: she is not host
Bloom William
42:32
I think you have everyone muted
Karen-Not a Cat (She/Her)
42:57
Except when we heard someone say "Love you!" :-)
Nick Strobel
43:03
@Bob: in the participants you can click on her name which will ask her to unmute
Corey Marvin
45:28
I'm familiar with the WSCH class requirement to meet the same number of hours each week. But does it have to meet in the exact same time slots?
Mike Barrett
45:56
If student A comes in to meet with an instructor during officer hours - how is that counted?
Bob Ngo
46:20
mike, office hours do not count as contact hours
Bob Ngo
46:43
corey, yes, they have to meet at same days every week all semester
Mike Barrett
47:19
Just for FTES - does it get counted for student success?
Krista
47:33
What is the FTES in courses that start late compared to full-term courses? ( ie. What % of a 16 week class). And would 8 week courses generate less FTES than at 12 week course? Or is it semester length or not semester length?
Craig Hayward
49:06
@Krista, it depends on whether the contact hours are the same in the 8-week vs. 12-week vs. 16-week class.
Krista
49:20
thank you!
Bob Ngo
49:24
Krista - 8 week courses are not weekly census since they beginning and end aren't coterminous with the semester start and end
Craig Hayward
49:48
Right, and things like holidays can make a difference between the Daily vs. Weekly contact hours.
Bill Moseley
50:13
Ad Astra should be able to do these calculations for us on the fly at some point.
Alisha Loken
50:17
why do all courses that have a lab component use positive attendance when they do meet during the theory portion more than 5 times at scheduled meetings?
Krista
50:24
Thank you Bob. So they generate less FTES? Similar to how online courses are about FTES of f2f?
Bob Ngo
51:16
yes krista, they do
Krista
51:18
sorry....Online courses are about 92% FTES of f2f
Bob Ngo
51:22
we'll go over these questions soon
Emmanuel (Manny) Mourtzanos
51:56
@Corey - I don't think the SAAM requires WSCH courses to be scheduled at the same time or day each week, but rather that they are scheduled coterminously with the semester.
Anthony Cordova
53:03
I also heard that Apprenticeship programs can switch to credit hours vs RSI.
Judy Fallert
56:57
what code is this in SSASECT?
Alisha Loken
58:11
Are online courses considered distance ed?
Karen-Not a Cat (She/Her)
59:11
Yikes, please mute everyone.
Arlitha Harmon
01:01:37
Sorry, not muting!
Teresa McAllister
01:02:34
Do mirrored course (CR/NC) DE or F2F calculate separately?
Alisha Loken
01:05:54
So online synchronous will generate more FTES than online asynchronous because online synchronous have scheduled meeting times?
Kylie Campbell
01:06:51
Bob— Enrollments went up for Dual Enrollment at BC, but FTES wen’t down. Was this due to online-flexible classes?
Corey Marvin
01:07:01
Bob, there is no difference in FTES for correspondence education in the prison, correct? Credit is credit.
Kylie Campbell
01:07:03
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Teresa McAllister
01:08:22
Do Hybrid scheduled online courses receive less FTES that fully scheduled online?
Emmanuel (Manny) Mourtzanos
01:10:58
@Teresa - I believe that as long as the course is scheduled for the full semester (coterminous), both online and hybrid will yield the same FTES (and equivalent to the same apportionment on the 320 report).
Corey Marvin
01:11:22
What's crazy about all this is that the FTES can change depending on how a class is offered--WSCH, DSCH, online, or not. That's not the way it is the UC's or CSU's, where a class is paid as a class regardless of schedule or delivery mode.
Alisha Loken
01:11:39
Is WSCH weekly attendance classes and DSCH daily? My department has DSCH classes that are also positive attendance...
Bill Moseley
01:12:01
@Corey I agree. It’s not good for anyone to do it this way
Teresa McAllister
01:12:53
@Manny - thank you!
Emmanuel (Manny) Mourtzanos
01:13:10
@Alisha - WSCH (Weekly Student Contact Hours), DSCH (Daily Student Contact Hours), and Positive Attendance are separate accounting methods, so I can't think of an example in which a course would be classified in more than one accounting method.
Amber A
01:13:53
Right... each section can have only one accounting method. if it's positive attendance then only actual hours the student received are counted
Alisha Loken
01:13:57
@Manny-Thank you, they must just be positive attendance
Corey Marvin
01:16:08
The CIO organization is currently and has been lobbying the Chancellor's Office to treat a class as a class. Haven't been successful so far, but the effort goes on.
Nick Strobel
01:16:09
Relic of when community colleges were under the K14 umbrella before Master Plan
Gary Moser
01:17:56
@Corey - hope it works as that would simplify things a lot
Alisha Loken
01:18:40
Should we be pushing for more WSCH courses, if we have the option, to increase revenue?
Nick Strobel
01:20:02
Wahoo! Accounting Manual is exhilarating!
Bill Moseley
01:20:26
Note the lack of agreement from everyone, Nick...
Nick Strobel
01:20:33
Sigh!
Amber A
01:20:54
I agree with Nick :)
Michelle Pena
01:21:13
I agree with Nick too! lol
Jaime McClure
01:21:14
Will today's presentation be added to the IR What's New site? Would you also post today's training there?
Krista
01:21:44
What % of the new funding formula are FTES? Is it 50%
Nick Strobel
01:21:54
Still 70%
Krista
01:22:00
thank you
Nick Strobel
01:22:24
Yes, e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y 60%
Nick Strobel
01:22:56
In Participants window, unmute
Gary Moser
01:24:40
Nicely said
Karen-Not a Cat (She/Her)
01:25:44
More money = more ability to do more good
Karen-Not a Cat (She/Her)
01:25:57
Makes sense that we have to think about it.
Alisha Loken
01:27:00
Are work experience courses considered apprenticeship?
Anthony Cordova
01:27:06
Bob Can you unmute me?
Nick Strobel
01:27:08
Also, another wrinkle: in a multi-college district, we’re able to shift FTES among the colleges we report to state for apportionment purposes to maximize our state funding.
Emmanuel (Manny) Mourtzanos
01:29:20
For those who are gluttons for punishment and are looking for more to read, here is a link to the CCCCO's Student Attendance Accounting Manual, which provides more information about the differences in the various accounting methods: https://www.cccco.edu/-/media/CCCCO-Website/College-Finance-and-Facilities/Manuals/SAAM-2020/2020-saam-a11y.pdf?la=en&hash=29787106CFC0BE3C455762A5AC1928C3E7490F7D
Gary Moser
01:29:28
Nick good info!
Krista
01:30:28
Thank you!
Nick Strobel
01:30:33
Last BAM evaluation process a few years ago, Tom told us about the shifting of FTES among colleges in our district for apportionment purposes.
Dena Rhoades
01:30:41
Thank you Bob and Amber!
Gary Moser
01:30:42
Thanks Bob and Amber! Nicely done.
Karen-Not a Cat (She/Her)
01:30:48
Very helpful! Thanks Bob and all.
Michelle Pena
01:30:49
Thank you!
Jaime McClure
01:30:53
Thank you both very much!!
Alisha Loken
01:30:55
Thank you!
Bloom William
01:30:57
thanks
Nick Strobel
01:30:58
Thank you!