Glad to see that Karen is not a cat...

Huge relief

lol

The cat would have been cute though, just saying

Yeah for cats!

Too bad...all my questions are feline-related...

I remember the 525 hours as deriving from taking 15 units (or 15 contact hours/week) over a 17.5 week semester, for 2 semesters.

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@Bob: she is not host

I think you have everyone muted

Except when we heard someone say "Love you!" :-)

@Bob: in the participants you can click on her name which will ask her to unmute

I'm familiar with the WSCH class requirement to meet the same number of hours each week. But does it have to meet in the exact same time slots?

If student A comes in to meet with an instructor during officer hours - how is that counted?

mike, office hours do not count as contact hours

corey, yes, they have to meet at same days every week all semester

Just for FTES - does it get counted for student success?

What is the FTES in courses that start late compared to full-term courses? ( ie. What % of a 16 week class). And would 8 week courses generate less FTES than at 12 week course? Or is it semester length or not semester length?

@Krista, it depends on whether the contact hours are the same in the 8-week vs. 12-week vs. 16-week class.

thank you!

Krista - 8 week courses are not weekly census since they beginning and end aren't coterminous with the semester start and end

Right, and things like holidays can make a difference between the Daily vs. Weekly contact hours.

Ad Astra should be able to do these calculations for us on the fly at some point.

why do all courses that have a lab component use positive attendance when they do meet during the theory portion more than 5 times at scheduled meetings?

Thank you Bob. So they generate less FTES? Similar to how online courses are about FTES of f2f?

yes krista, they do

sorry....Online courses are about 92% FTES of f2f

we'll go over these questions soon

@Corey - I don't think the SAAM requires WSCH courses to be scheduled at the same time or day each week, but rather that they are scheduled coterminously with the semester.

I also heard that Apprenticeship programs can switch to credit hours vs RSI.

what code is this in SSASECT?

Are online courses considered distance ed?

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Sorry, not muting!

Do mirrored course (CR/NC) DE or F2F calculate separately?

So online synchronous will generate more FTES than online asynchronous because online synchronous have scheduled meeting times?

Bob— Enrollments went up for Dual Enrollment at BC, but FTES wen’t down. Was this due to online-flexible classes?

Bob, there is no difference in FTES for correspondence education in the prison, correct? Credit is credit.

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Do Hybrid scheduled online courses receive less FTES that fully scheduled online?

@Teresa - I believe that as long as the course is scheduled for the full semester (coterminous), both online and hybrid will yield the same FTES (and equivalent to the same apportionment on the 320 report).

What's crazy about all this is that the FTES can change depending on how a class is offered--WSCH, DSCH, online, or not. That's not the way it is the UC's or CSU's, where a class is paid as a class regardless of schedule or delivery mode.

Is WSCH weekly attendance classes and DSCH daily? My department has DSCH classes that are also positive attendance...

@Corey I agree. It’s not good for anyone to do it this way

@Manny - thank you!

@Alisha - WSCH (Weekly Student Contact Hours), DSCH (Daily Student Contact Hours), and Positive Attendance are separate accounting methods, so I can't think of an example in which a course would be classified in more than one accounting method.

Right... each section can have only one accounting method. if it's positive attendance then only actual hours the student received are counted

@Manny-Thank you, they must just be positive attendance

The CIO organization is currently and has been lobbying the Chancellor's Office to treat a class as a class. Haven't been successful so far, but the effort goes on.

Relic of when community colleges were under the K14 umbrella before Master Plan

@Corey - hope it works as that would simplify things a lot

Should we be pushing for more WSCH courses, if we have the option, to increase revenue?

Wahoo! Accounting Manual is exhilarating!

Note the lack of agreement from everyone, Nick...

Sigh!

I agree with Nick :)

I agree with Nick too! lol

Will today's presentation be added to the IR What's New site? Would you also post today's training there?

What % of the new funding formula are FTES? Is it 50%

Still 70%

thank you

Yes, e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y 60%

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Nicely said

More money = more ability to do more good

Makes sense that we have to think about it.

Are work experience courses considered apprenticeship?

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Also, another wrinkle: in a multi-college district, we’re able to shift FTES among the colleges we report to state for apportionment purposes to maximize our state funding.

For those who are gluttons for punishment and are looking for more to read, here is a link to the CCCCO's Student Attendance Accounting Manual, which provides more information about the differences in the various accounting methods: https://www.cccco.edu/-/media/CCCCO-Website/College-Finance-and-Facilities/Manuals/SAAM-2020/2020-saam-a11y.pdf?la=en&hash=29787106CFC0BE3C455762A5AC1928C3E7490F7D

Nick good info!

Thank you!

Last BAM evaluation process a few years ago, Tom told us about the shifting of FTES among colleges in our district for apportionment purposes.

Thank you Bob and Amber!

Thanks Bob and Amber! Nicely done.

Very helpful! Thanks Bob and all.

Thank you!

Thank you both very much!!

Thank you!

thanks

Thank you!