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ESL and AB 705: Research and Implementation - Shared screen with speaker view
ellen.goldman
38:06
All credit ESL?
Linda
38:22
What are the G courses?
Kathy Wada
39:42
The TLE is open access but does it still have prerequsites?
Christina Tafoya
39:54
So with ESL 2A and 2AG students have 9 units of ESL in a single semester?
ryanbs
01:02:02
curious, is your ESL population larger for credit or non-credit
ryanbs
01:02:22
interesting
Christina Tafoya
01:02:29
Have you had push back from counseling about the high unit value of your ESL sequence?
aesquivelswinson
01:02:30
did you experience any problems registering students for 9 units of ESL per semester?
Eric Grabiel
01:03:03
go Cabrillo!!
Guillermo Colls
01:03:09
No problem at al. They were anxious.
Guillermo Colls
01:03:57
Counseling has been our biggest proponent. Without them, we would not have been able to do this.
David Nippoldt
01:09:36
Does the CC system have a standard way for students to declare their intent to seek transfer?
barbara mcneicestallard
01:10:29
What is TLC?
Linda
01:13:52
is it going to be possible for us to get this info by school, rather than just the state wide data? I need to address the "well our students are different" beliefs.
Reagen Dozier
01:15:21
What is TLE one more time?
Terrence Willett
01:15:34
TLE = transfer level English
Terrence Willett
01:15:41
aka College Composition
Terrence Willett
01:15:49
or TLC
Terrence Willett
01:15:55
transfer level Composition
shawl
01:16:18
The 95%: Is that students testing at ANY level of language proficiency (so, inclusive of testees into beginning, intermediate, advanced) who attempt transfer-level E, or is it students who have tested into transfer-level who then enter it and pass?
ellen.goldman
01:16:55
How can we figure out who is truly uninterested in transfer when they are encouraged to declare a major by Guided Pathways or to get Financial aid?
Terrence Willett
01:17:42
@Linda, we also support helping local replication of this research
Guillermo Colls
01:19:09
Ellen--as a comment, I have lost count of the students "uninterested in transfer" who change their minds once they see what they can do.
Terrence Willett
01:21:22
@ellen.goldman administratively they are deemed to be interested if they check that box and declare a major, a students "true" intent is fluid and dynamic over time and can change within a term, so I advocate for robust intake and guidance so students understand the implications of major declaration but students as you know can and do change goals and majors more quickly than they can indicate such changes in the data systems, in the past, we have also looked at "behavioral intent" where students attempting certain classes such as transfer level math are deemed to have transfer intent (although that was not applied in this analysis)
Kathy
01:21:53
Is the definition of “international student” mean they are on a F1 visa?
Kathy
01:22:49
Ok. So “international student” = F1 visa + HS graduate in the foreign country?
rlopez
01:28:17
How do you identify students that took ELD courses in HS? Students do not have the option to self-report on CCCApply that they took ELD courses.
Kathy
01:29:10
But isn’t there the big caveat that the US HS grad data does not indicate whether the students had years of HS in another state?
Terrence Willett
01:29:23
@rlopez by matching HS to CC data in CalPASS, HS classes have a particular code in the K-12 CalPADS system that identifies the subject including ELD
Eric Grabiel
01:29:24
now that colleges are offering ESL transfer-level English that articulates to CSU and UC, can we assume that more ELL students from high school who graduate will enter transfer-level ESL?
Terrence Willett
01:29:42
@Kathy correct, we only have CA data
Terrence Willett
01:30:10
@Eric we are assuming that will be the case and plan to track that
Kathy
01:30:23
So caveat that these students could have years of HS in another state.
Terrence Willett
01:30:37
I believe about 6 colleges have TLEE (transfer level English equivalent) that is transferable
Terrence Willett
01:30:52
@Kathy yes, or another country
Kathy
01:31:05
Several more TLEE are in the pipeline for F20 approval
shawl
01:31:24
And caveat that we don't know how much English they had prior to arriving to US high schools
Kathy
01:32:13
FYI: Santa Rosa got CSU A2/IGETC 1A!
Linda
01:32:41
Can we get a list of which schools have an ESL course equivalent(transferable) to Eng Comp? And similarly those that have an ESL course used as a co-req for Eng Comp?
Terrence Willett
01:33:03
Good for SRJC!
Kathy
01:33:16
Per PPIC, majority of Latino students in credit ESL are citizens, so this large chunk of students might not included in those graphs.
Terrence Willett
01:33:27
Kathy, do we have such a list or you have it off the top of your head?
Kathy
01:33:45
Cypress is in the pipeline for TLEE
Kathy
01:34:24
I believe the other colleges do not have the IGETC 1A; they only have CSU A2
shawl
01:34:42
It would make sense that a student who is enters and completes TLC based on measures that determine s/he can pass it can indeed do so. Without controlling for language proficiency of students entering and completing TLC, how can we be sure of what the data suggests?
Kathy
01:36:30
TLEE with C2: American River, Sac City, Consumes, Folsom, Citrus, but some are not offering these.