Were there directions or information posted regarding the DE Coordinators Pre-Conference Session for Online Teaching Conference?

^^ yes please to this link.

Hi All, here's a quick screencast on how to register for the retreat https://screencast-o-matic.com/u/WsV/OTCDECO21

Yes, working on the correct link…

Thanks, Katie!

It's free -- you need to go to the Pre-Conference Workshops link, scroll and then click on the retreat. It is free.

Will Labster work with us to ensure no break in service mid-summer term if we are continuing?

@Pamela - Yes, Labster will work with colleges that purchase the service through STAC to ensure continuity within the summer term.

@Justin: phew! thank you

could you share the raw numbers - % of what raw number?

@Will, we can get that to you.

?? Can district classes be privileges in embedded search, or is only the home college?

@Greg, do you mean search engine returns all district results at the top of the results?

(Payment mechanism on the @ONE courses is broken right now… Instructure is working on it but Stacey Carrasco told me it is working for some folks on mobile devices)

What were the total of students who searched and converted their search into enrollment?

Thanks for the update. I thought it was just me! :)

Do noncredit classes show up in the course search?

For website embed of CVC search, do we email support?

Yes @Andrea. Our college will more likely be interested in embedded search if the top results are from our college and our district colleges

@Jodie, I don’t have that number on the top of my head, but we can follow up with that in addition to Will’s request.

With enrollment down at most colleges, I'd be curious to know what numbers are being seen in CVC enrollment compared with one year prior?

@Gregory, I just wrote your suggestion down :)

Thanks, Jim. We are aware of the payment process issue with our Catalog site. Instructure is working on it, folks.

@Airek, yes … email support@cvc.edu.

@Andrea Much appreciated!

Congratulations Bob!

@Cynthia - Noncredit (zero unit) courses do show up in the course search if they are loaded into the college SIS and are online. We do have noncredit online courses in there currently.

Thank you, Jory!

@Cynthia - I just did a search yesterday - I see NC for Redlands and Santa Rosa Jr. College only ;-)

Are slides being shared?

@Alex-Great news!

@ AlexA…I’m typing too fast. Apologies. :)

Slides are visible now. Thanks!

There was a good suggestion to replace that “where applicable” with a reference to whatever is in the COR

So it’s up to colleges to decide for themselves what is “applicable” with regard to student-student required contact? Or will there be a de facto state level standard of some sort?

@Jim. Where applicable means it will be up to the colleges, in my opinion.

In theory, student-to-student interaction could also be a bit challenging in online competency based education courses. Although, perhaps that could be conducted asynchronously.

I thought the COR reference was a good way of dealing with that difference

"Where applicable" also gives the flexibility back to the instructor. There is no federal requirement for student-student contact.

Agree, Erin. If the intent is to simply have Title 5 mirror federal regs and not set a higher standard, that makes perfect sense.

When selecting at least two from that list, it seems like people could choose a very “minimalist” approach and still remain in compliance.

Is the expectation that ACCJC expectations will also adjust according to the updates in federal regulations and Title 5?

@Bob agreed with student:student and competency based courses.

Jessica, ACCJC only bases their standards on federal standards. They operate across several states

@Jessica. Yes, ACCJC always uses Fed regulations.

@Jim. These regulations really do set a floor.

Too bad substantive definition doesn’t say “academic and professional matter”

Thank you!

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Here’s a shorter URL to the video: https://youtu.be/HOrdDamnyYo

It will be really interesting to see if colleges decide to undo local absolute student-student contact requirements that had been implemented in response to the previous Title 5.

@Jim, agreed. I think the ASCCC will have something to say about this in the revision of their 2019 DE white paper

@Jim. These are still proposed changes to Title 5. Title 5 can require more interaction, etc., than the federal regs, just not less, just as colleges can require more if they want to.

It’s my understanding that the ACCJC will hold an institution to whatever local REC/RSI policies they’ve set. With this new “floor,” I wonder if colleges will want to make policies less stringent, as Jim said.

Exactly, @Joanna, and Title 5 used to set a higher standard, but now it seems that is being reversed

"Academic engagement" is defined in the Federal Register: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=81b8578b46c3d9a2a046af88208059b8&mc=true&node=20200902y1.23

There's a typo in letter "i". It should say "all online or in-person..." The all important "or" is missing.

June 18

Can you add that link to the chat?

When would the title 5 changes go live?

How “institutions are expected to ensure” engagement is going to be really interesting to see interpretations

Students must be given the opportunity for an alternative to surveillance proctoring. They must have a choice. This aligns with their constitutional right to education.

@Jodie - that is an important addition.

Great point Jim

@Jodie I would love to fire all surveillance proctoring into the sun, but I see this being an explosive issue with certain departments on my campus

Yes, Jim. I wonder if it will take someone being audited by the DOE to know what they actually expect.

When my college was audited by the Dept of Ed in 2016l they expected someone to go into Canvas shells and monitor every class, every term.

Link to proposed changes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HzC5lmF1Y-YAk1-8DM8zgg-dGFOLqbij/view?usp=sharing

It would be nice to get sample interpretations (like this one) as a resource for DE Coordinators.

A policy of saying "this is required in the syllabus" is a really great approach!

@Erin: Will the revised guidelines go into effect at the same time as the revised Title 5 regs?

There are new considerations for consent due to the new California Privacy laws enacted last year.

Based on this wording, would the syllabus be sufficient? Would it need to be in the catalog or at a comparable location for students to make decisions before enrolling in a class with regard to something like surveillance proctoring?

Apologies but I need to leave. Thank you everyone.

Thanks, Lisa!

@Moses the liquid syllabus would be a great place for students to "shop" the course prior to being enrolled so they can choose before choices are limited.

@Scott - some guidance will be provided when the title 5 is updated

Great point @Moses!

I believe the intent of the Title 5 language is for that information to be available before enrolling

I think there's two different pieces. The participation piece for the syllabus and the "before enrollment" in the schedule

Our ticket notes are required to have some of this information

Yes, @Suzanne, I agree....

Agree with the idea that use of proctoring should be included in the schedule of classes. Then they aren’t “surprised.” What? I have to take a test with Proctorio watching me!

Link to DECO document for comments on proposed Title 5 changes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J_G2mmHWAi2zh8j7TmBc0LTkhm27o4jLetuqRZhU4Ko/edit?usp=sharing

So those "Before enrollment" could be on the COR that's public but super hidden. Students would never find it.

@Suzanne agreed.

Can I say...it is really comforting to know many colleges have faced the same challenges. A bit frightening but also comforting. We can definitely do better

Some of you might be interested in MiraCosta’s statement on equitable use of cameras in synchronous instruction and assessment. It requires both schedule note and syllabus statement: https://www.miracosta.edu/faculty-staff/_docs/cameras-on-off.pdf

Our college is interested in getting the proctoring network back running and expanded. I'm hoping CVC can assist with organizing this student-centered effort :)

That is really helpful, @Jim! Thank you for sharing

@Jim..Your college is such a welcome model!

Yes, interested too, @Jim

@Jodie - agree!

@Jodie We too want that and would like to be part of that.

@Jodie - it’s on our roadmap, thanks for mentioning it! We’re also watching the changing campus re-opening roadmap.

@Jodie-yes!

+1 on the proctoring network

@Jodie We have been part of the proctoring network and would like to continue, especially since we are not currently using any particular proctoring software.

Having the ASCCC draft a resolution like the Jim's camera policy would be helpful too.

@Suzanne, agree

Great to see so many comments about the proctoring network. The need has certainly grown.

Or... how can we support student preparedness without creating another inequitable barrier to entry for students?

Can CVC release best practices for interpreting the new regulations? Is that a reasonable ask?

Can a requirement be made when we are an open entry institution?

@Kandace: Yes, exactly.

We’re trying to fold some basics into our new student orientation

(So students are better positioned to make the best choices for themselves)

@Moses: That's what we tend to do as well, and would be an appropriate venue for that preparation.

Sorry I have to head over to my next meeting thank you

(Note that an opinion that it “strengthens” or “weakens” isn’t necessarily a value judgment on whether it is good/appropriate to strengthen or weaken)

Very informative - I need to go to my next meeting.

Thank you so much -- this is always SO helpful.

@Marina. I agree that the barrier to entry is a major concern.

Can we see the results, Joanna?

Thank you all

Thank you

Thanks so much!

Thanks, everyone!

Thank you all! We will post links to the video and Google docs in the VRC!

thanks!