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Unintended Consequences and Opportunities: You, OER, and the Future Or How I Overcame My Commercial Text Addiction - Shared screen with speaker view
Suzanne Wakim
30:25
Hello everyone :)
Mark Healy
30:38
Hello Suzanne
Aloha Sargent
34:36
"inclusive access" is also being pushed right now by vendors
Jamileh Kouhestani
34:37
Hi everyone! Jamileh Kouhestani from Maryland
Deborah Gustlin
35:07
May not be accessible
Mark Healy
35:08
Great sales technique, definitely not free
Caroline Hallam
35:10
Can deter OER adoption
Aloha Sargent
35:11
it's a marketing ploy
Caroline Hallam
35:58
I have had administrative interest in an automatic billing/ “inclusive access” program emerge out of this temp access
Aloha Sargent
36:22
@Caroline: yes, this is a huge problem right now
Julie Cornett
36:40
I also feel the marketing ploy is setting us back in terms of our efforts to get faculty buy in for OERs.
Caroline Hallam
39:02
I attended a Barnes & Noble automatic billing marketing session at the request of our dean. Costs reported ranged from $21.50/credit hour to $400 per semester just for rental textbooks
Antonio López
39:26
though digital inclusion is still a challenge for many
Antonio López
41:39
does the ND license qualify as open?
T.L. Brink
44:44
Where do we register creative commons licenses?
Patrick McClanahan
45:14
You do not have to register CC - just include it in your product
Caroline Hallam
45:38
Thank you for that! Bookstores get leery around NC, but they certainly allowed to print and stock
Suzanne Wakim
45:50
You can find the CC licenses to put on your work here: https://creativecommons.org/
Caroline Hallam
45:50
You can include excerpts from ND texts in larger remixes if it is properly labeled/attributed and the text is not modified, correct?
Sheila Lynch
46:31
And there are also CC licenses that combine some of these restrictions.
Julie Cornett
47:00
Should we be encouraging faculty to NOT adopt an ND licensed item?
Suzanne Wakim
47:34
The more restrictive the license, the more problems it causes. If faculty are building stuff - encourage CC-BY
Suzanne Wakim
47:56
Licensing details, webinars, etc:
Suzanne Wakim
48:51
info about licensing: https://asccc-oeri.org/attributions-and-licensing/
Caroline Hallam
49:13
Sorry to derail! I found CC clarification: https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-reuse-an-excerpt-of-a-larger-work-that-is-licensed-with-the-noderivs-restriction
Caroline Hallam
49:26
“All CC licenses grant the right to reproduce a CC-licensed work for noncommercial purposes (at a minimum). For example, a person could make copies of one chapter of an ND-licensed book and not be in violation of the license so long as other conditions of the license are met.”
Caroline Hallam
49:44
Haha sorry to take time :)
Lee Zasloff
50:30
I'm completely in the dark about all of the licensing issues. If I'm going to adopt a book only for using in my classes, do I have to worry about licensing?
Rebekah Sandlin
50:55
I also have no idea what that entire conversation was about
Suzanne Wakim
50:59
If you are just adopting a book (without changing it) any CC license is fine
Julie Cornett
51:19
Thanks, Dave.
Lee Zasloff
51:31
So I wouldn't be able to make any changes if it's just for my students?
Suzanne Wakim
51:45
@Lee - it depends on the license
Lee Zasloff
52:02
ok
Suzanne Wakim
52:25
For licensing basics: https://asccc-oeri.org/attributions-and-licensing/
william raines
52:38
Sorry I have to leave for another meeting but I will follow up with you. Thank you
Rebekah Sandlin
52:46
Thank you Suzanne
Lee Zasloff
52:50
Thanks
Michelle Pilati
52:52
While many faculty have no interest in changing a text, we like to point out that you do have the freedom to do so - as long as the resource has a truly open license.
Michelle Pilati
54:08
This means if you start looking around and you find resources you want to combine, you know how to tell what you can and can’t do. And there are platforms that allow you to mix books - and reorder things. You no longer have to use that chapter you’ve always hated. :-)
Antonio López
54:56
digital inclusion seeks to provide digital access, not alternatives.
Michelle Pilati
55:31
Excellent point Antonio.
Antonio López
55:40
https://www.digitalinclusion.org/definitions/
Aloha Sargent
57:28
publishers automatically billing students for digital textbooks and courseware
Caroline Hallam
57:37
Agree with Aloha!
Antonio López
58:05
school fees for example
Josh Franco
58:08
inclusive access should ensuring all students are welcomed to access resources
Aloha Sargent
58:13
attempt to eliminate used textbook markets; makes library reserves harder for students to use
Jamileh Kouhestani
58:18
Aloha , you are right !
Sarah Bosler
58:33
https://openstax.org/blog/giving-inclusive-access-second-look
Josh Franco
58:38
so inclusive is part of diversity, equity, and inclusion
Camerin Poulson
58:51
I was talking to my bookstore manager and he was saying that he has been pushing “inclusive access” and that he emphasizes with faculty that student can opt out. Have any of you experienced something like this? Is it easy for students to opt out?
Sarah Bosler
59:06
The opt out period is short
Lee Zasloff
59:30
It's not clear to me why the bookstore needs to be involved. Sorry if this is a silly question. This is all new to me.
Suzanne Wakim
59:38
inclusive access is a misuse of the word "inclusive"
Sarah Bosler
59:40
My bookstore folks are selling this as a step they can take to provide better access for classes that are NOT using OER
Josh Franco
59:47
agree with Suzanne
Caroline Hallam
59:51
The biggest automatic billing providers are subject to a class action lawsuit from independent bookstores: https://www.edsurge.com/news/2020-01-28-targeting-inclusive-access-deals-college-bookstores-sue-textbook-publishers-and-retailers
Sarah Bosler
59:54
I agree Suzanne. I think “accessibility” when they talk about inclusive
Aloha Sargent
01:00:01
https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/automatic-textbook-billing
Suzanne Wakim
01:00:10
I think of double speak from the book 1984 :)
Michelle Pilati
01:00:30
How the “opt out” works varies. I know at one college, the student was given the resource and then, if they did not pay by a specified period of time, it was taken away.
Antonio López
01:00:34
yes, double speak
Aloha Sargent
01:01:03
the uspirg report studied opt out https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/automatic-textbook-billing
Nadiyah Taylor
01:01:25
Lee had a question that was interesting...
Sarah Bosler
01:02:04
Re: Lee’s question I think Bookstores are involved because they are involved with one of the ways students get textbooks
Deborah Gustlin
01:02:40
Students get grants and can only buy the text at the bookstore on campus
Sarah Bosler
01:02:53
My understanding is that the Bookstore gets pricing based on numbers of students. The pricing is passed to the student thru the bookstore
Lee Zasloff
01:03:14
I'm asking only about OER materials.
Antonio López
01:03:34
could be related to the specific contract between a college store and the campus
Lee Zasloff
01:03:49
Oh okay. Thanks.
Sheila Lynch
01:04:17
Aslso, Some schools use the bookstore to identify ZTC for the symbol that must be on the schedule of classe
Lee Zasloff
01:04:24
Great - thank you.
Josh Franco
01:04:45
I am here
Josh Franco
01:07:15
Slight clarification: Cynthia Luna recommended OER when we first met in spring 2019, and then we discussed it again at start of pandemic
Deborah Gustlin
01:07:44
Education is changed forever and now is the time to make sure we have OER for all classes. Our campus is discussing online only for fall 2020 as well.
Antonio López
01:09:26
good idea to exert leverage on OER publishers to get their books into Canvas Commons with full ADA compliance and meeting OEI rubric criteria.
Sheila Lynch
01:09:32
Thanks for saying that Dave. My students are saying how very helpful it is that we were already using OER.
Josh Franco
01:09:37
I am motivated to advance OER, especially after hearing this “inclusive access”/auto billing masking
Josh Franco
01:10:09
more motivated, since I haven’t heard this term yet, so thanks for raising this as an issue
Suzanne Wakim
01:10:51
Publisher shenanigans never cease to amaze.
T.L. Brink
01:10:51
access is even before the first day. I can send out a link before the Canvas shell opens.
Deborah Gustlin
01:12:24
If tuition is free so should the textbooks.
Lee Zasloff
01:15:42
How do we connect with the OER support group?
Aloha Sargent
01:16:01
@Lee: lol
Dave Dillon
01:16:07
:)
Lee Zasloff
01:16:25
Well, I'm a technodunce. I need a lot of help with anything new.
Lee Zasloff
01:17:29
Excellent!
T.L. Brink
01:18:25
Talk more about the homework systems (e.g., My Open Math) especially for algebra, stats, accounting. That is the largest obtacle to getting my colleagues onboard. They love the Pearson homework system.
Deborah Gustlin
01:18:29
Can you explain the homework system
Dave Dillon
01:20:58
Some thoughts on open homework systems from BCcampus:
Dave Dillon
01:20:58
https://bccampus.ca/2019/10/08/early-thoughts-on-the-bccampus-open-homework-systems-project/
Josh Franco
01:21:42
This needs to the Summer of OER
Deborah Gustlin
01:21:50
Can it also work on essays or journals?
Caroline Hallam
01:22:46
OMG we need Summer of OER branding!
Sheila Lynch
01:24:40
I believe we should work with tour statewide Professional Development organization to make OER workshops a priority and even to offer an OER certifcate
T.L. Brink
01:24:52
send out those links via email, cannot copy them from the slide
Josh Franco
01:25:12
vision resource center PD training would be helpful
Lee Zasloff
01:25:20
Is there a way to contact OER users in our discipline?
Josh Franco
01:25:32
that links to all existing resources
Michelle Pilati
01:25:40
asccc-oeri.org
Aloha Sargent
01:25:51
I don't suppose the ASCCC OERI has a statement or page about "inclusive access" that we could point campus stakeholders to?
Julie Cornett
01:26:04
Anyone have good ideas on how to reach a broad faculty audience about the perils of inclusive access?
Josh Franco
01:26:07
for example, my campus is using VRC for PD flex credits
Julie Cornett
01:26:09
You beat me to it, Aloha!
Aloha Sargent
01:26:43
Thanks!
Sarah Bosler
01:26:53
https://www.asccc.org/resolutions/consider-implications-publisher-developed-lower-cost-%E2%80%9Cinclusive-access%E2%80%9D-strategies
Sarah Bosler
01:27:00
:)
Deborah Gustlin
01:27:05
You can use Google Googles for VR
Julie Cornett
01:27:08
Nice, @Sarah!
Daniel Ng
01:27:42
Thank you!
Sarah Bosler
01:27:42
Thanks you!!!