Hello everyone :)

Hello Suzanne

"inclusive access" is also being pushed right now by vendors

Hi everyone! Jamileh Kouhestani from Maryland

May not be accessible

Great sales technique, definitely not free

Can deter OER adoption

it's a marketing ploy

I have had administrative interest in an automatic billing/ “inclusive access” program emerge out of this temp access

@Caroline: yes, this is a huge problem right now

I also feel the marketing ploy is setting us back in terms of our efforts to get faculty buy in for OERs.

I attended a Barnes & Noble automatic billing marketing session at the request of our dean. Costs reported ranged from $21.50/credit hour to $400 per semester just for rental textbooks

though digital inclusion is still a challenge for many

does the ND license qualify as open?

Where do we register creative commons licenses?

You do not have to register CC - just include it in your product

Thank you for that! Bookstores get leery around NC, but they certainly allowed to print and stock

You can find the CC licenses to put on your work here: https://creativecommons.org/

You can include excerpts from ND texts in larger remixes if it is properly labeled/attributed and the text is not modified, correct?

And there are also CC licenses that combine some of these restrictions.

Should we be encouraging faculty to NOT adopt an ND licensed item?

The more restrictive the license, the more problems it causes. If faculty are building stuff - encourage CC-BY

Licensing details, webinars, etc:

info about licensing: https://asccc-oeri.org/attributions-and-licensing/

Sorry to derail! I found CC clarification: https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-reuse-an-excerpt-of-a-larger-work-that-is-licensed-with-the-noderivs-restriction

“All CC licenses grant the right to reproduce a CC-licensed work for noncommercial purposes (at a minimum). For example, a person could make copies of one chapter of an ND-licensed book and not be in violation of the license so long as other conditions of the license are met.”

Haha sorry to take time :)

I'm completely in the dark about all of the licensing issues. If I'm going to adopt a book only for using in my classes, do I have to worry about licensing?

I also have no idea what that entire conversation was about

If you are just adopting a book (without changing it) any CC license is fine

Thanks, Dave.

So I wouldn't be able to make any changes if it's just for my students?

@Lee - it depends on the license

ok

For licensing basics: https://asccc-oeri.org/attributions-and-licensing/

Sorry I have to leave for another meeting but I will follow up with you. Thank you

Thank you Suzanne

Thanks

While many faculty have no interest in changing a text, we like to point out that you do have the freedom to do so - as long as the resource has a truly open license.

This means if you start looking around and you find resources you want to combine, you know how to tell what you can and can’t do. And there are platforms that allow you to mix books - and reorder things. You no longer have to use that chapter you’ve always hated. :-)

digital inclusion seeks to provide digital access, not alternatives.

Excellent point Antonio.

https://www.digitalinclusion.org/definitions/

publishers automatically billing students for digital textbooks and courseware

Agree with Aloha!

school fees for example

inclusive access should ensuring all students are welcomed to access resources

attempt to eliminate used textbook markets; makes library reserves harder for students to use

Aloha , you are right !

https://openstax.org/blog/giving-inclusive-access-second-look

so inclusive is part of diversity, equity, and inclusion

I was talking to my bookstore manager and he was saying that he has been pushing “inclusive access” and that he emphasizes with faculty that student can opt out. Have any of you experienced something like this? Is it easy for students to opt out?

The opt out period is short

It's not clear to me why the bookstore needs to be involved. Sorry if this is a silly question. This is all new to me.

inclusive access is a misuse of the word "inclusive"

My bookstore folks are selling this as a step they can take to provide better access for classes that are NOT using OER

agree with Suzanne

The biggest automatic billing providers are subject to a class action lawsuit from independent bookstores: https://www.edsurge.com/news/2020-01-28-targeting-inclusive-access-deals-college-bookstores-sue-textbook-publishers-and-retailers

I agree Suzanne. I think “accessibility” when they talk about inclusive

https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/automatic-textbook-billing

I think of double speak from the book 1984 :)

How the “opt out” works varies. I know at one college, the student was given the resource and then, if they did not pay by a specified period of time, it was taken away.

yes, double speak

the uspirg report studied opt out https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/automatic-textbook-billing

Lee had a question that was interesting...

Re: Lee’s question I think Bookstores are involved because they are involved with one of the ways students get textbooks

Students get grants and can only buy the text at the bookstore on campus

My understanding is that the Bookstore gets pricing based on numbers of students. The pricing is passed to the student thru the bookstore

I'm asking only about OER materials.

could be related to the specific contract between a college store and the campus

Oh okay. Thanks.

Aslso, Some schools use the bookstore to identify ZTC for the symbol that must be on the schedule of classe

Great - thank you.

I am here

Slight clarification: Cynthia Luna recommended OER when we first met in spring 2019, and then we discussed it again at start of pandemic

Education is changed forever and now is the time to make sure we have OER for all classes. Our campus is discussing online only for fall 2020 as well.

good idea to exert leverage on OER publishers to get their books into Canvas Commons with full ADA compliance and meeting OEI rubric criteria.

Thanks for saying that Dave. My students are saying how very helpful it is that we were already using OER.

I am motivated to advance OER, especially after hearing this “inclusive access”/auto billing masking

more motivated, since I haven’t heard this term yet, so thanks for raising this as an issue

Publisher shenanigans never cease to amaze.

access is even before the first day. I can send out a link before the Canvas shell opens.

If tuition is free so should the textbooks.

How do we connect with the OER support group?

@Lee: lol

:)

Well, I'm a technodunce. I need a lot of help with anything new.

Excellent!

Talk more about the homework systems (e.g., My Open Math) especially for algebra, stats, accounting. That is the largest obtacle to getting my colleagues onboard. They love the Pearson homework system.

Can you explain the homework system

Some thoughts on open homework systems from BCcampus:

https://bccampus.ca/2019/10/08/early-thoughts-on-the-bccampus-open-homework-systems-project/

This needs to the Summer of OER

Can it also work on essays or journals?

OMG we need Summer of OER branding!

I believe we should work with tour statewide Professional Development organization to make OER workshops a priority and even to offer an OER certifcate

send out those links via email, cannot copy them from the slide

vision resource center PD training would be helpful

Is there a way to contact OER users in our discipline?

that links to all existing resources

asccc-oeri.org

I don't suppose the ASCCC OERI has a statement or page about "inclusive access" that we could point campus stakeholders to?

Anyone have good ideas on how to reach a broad faculty audience about the perils of inclusive access?

for example, my campus is using VRC for PD flex credits

You beat me to it, Aloha!

Thanks!

https://www.asccc.org/resolutions/consider-implications-publisher-developed-lower-cost-%E2%80%9Cinclusive-access%E2%80%9D-strategies

:)

You can use Google Googles for VR

Nice, @Sarah!

Thank you!

Thanks you!!!