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OER and ZTC in the California Community Colleges - An Update - Shared screen with speaker view
Jane Ishibashi
19:01
Hello! I'm Jane Ishibashi from Fullerton College
Sarah Bosler
19:02
Hello out there! from Citrus College, Glendora
Aditi Sapra
19:05
Good morning, Aditi Sapra- Sociology- Rio Hondo College
Jean Proppe
19:13
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sally potter
19:25
Sally Potter--Fresno City College
Catherine Page
19:42
Hello, catherine PAge - Rio Hondo College
Aloha Sargent (Cabrillo)
20:38
Will these slides be shared? Sorry if you said this already.
Jennifer Paris
21:05
@Aloha, yes. They will be shared with the archive on the website.
Aloha Sargent (Cabrillo)
21:29
Thanks @Jennifer
Andi (she/her)
30:18
If it is separate from OERI - who is making decisions on how this money is spent and how do colleges access it?
Shirley Miranda Brenes
30:44
Exactly my question
Sarah Bosler
31:41
Like maybe buying an unlimited ebook of a textbook? Can these funds be used for this type of thing too?
David Betancourt
32:01
I am about the definitions for OER: Cable Green and David Wiley both agree that a true OER is free. Period. Low cost text books is a different matter. Also, ZTC: wondering about the difference between ZTC courses, ZTC certificates, ZTC degrees. Is the stance that OERs are no longer what they were defined to be and ZTC is the new OER?
Abigail Tatlilioglu
33:05
Also, what about fields in which the materials are required by some governing board (nursing for example)
David Betancourt
33:20
Sorry! My first sentence should have read: I am wondering about . . . .
Shirley Miranda Brenes
33:45
ZTC is ultimately what matters for students. They don't care if it's OER, if a grant pay for their textbooks, or if faculty are using public domain docs.
Antonio López
33:47
I hope that the legislation will allow funds to be spent on providing print copies of OER to students.
Shirley Miranda Brenes
33:53
My two cents.
Melissa Archibald
33:59
@David, some classes might be ZTC without using OER (ex. a tennis class), while some classes that use OER might not qualify as ZTC (because the instructor requires students to buy homework programs)
Abigail Tatlilioglu
34:49
like calculators
David Betancourt
36:45
@Shirley, I REALLY like your explanation! Thank you!
Laurie Buchholz (she/her)
37:29
Can someone share the language from the chancellor's office that differentiates between textbook costs and other materials costs?
Ryan Edwards
37:40
Not all OER is accessible, so in order to avoid lawsuits, I think that we should invest in accessibility remediation software/services for OER coming from vendors that is not accessible
Shirley Miranda Brenes
37:41
@Patrick, You are welcome.
David Betancourt
37:45
@Melissa, thank you for your example, clarifies the two and gives me an idea of what to look for on our campus!
Sarah Bosler
37:54
@Ryan Good point.
Abigail Tatlilioglu
37:57
yes, because materials can cost as much as textbooks in some courses...it's just as important
Jennifer Paris
38:05
While students probably don't care if it's ZTC or OER, if their faculty are dependent on ZTC materials that suddenly are no longer accessible that could directly impact students.
Mark Carpenter
38:49
stretching the not-yet-known parameters for disbursement, consider nationwide searches, competitions and awards for best online courses that could be offered to students, then later as parts become dated, to be parsed and added to next generation of online instruction.
Jennifer Paris
38:53
I am not sure where that language is Laurie. If anyone has that handy, please feel free to share.
Melissa Archibald
38:56
Are we looking for a threshold for a pathway to qualify as ZTC?
Jean Proppe
39:35
"Low cost" seems too subjective.
Sarah Bosler
40:09
We do not use Low Cost at our campus, we only list ZTC in our course sections.
Erin Thomas
40:16
@Ryan - yes.
David Betancourt
40:48
The focus seems to be on "degrees". It is also how I read the latest info on ZTC from OERI. Is the OERI focused on courses, certificates, degrees, some, or all?
Shirley Miranda Brenes
40:57
@Jean, in our college, we let Student Government determine what low cost is. They passed a resolution that low-cost was $35.
Jean Proppe
41:37
Thanks @Shirley. That would be quite high for some of my students.
Jennifer Paris
42:08
Hi, David. We are trying to move from looking just at courses to looking at programs (TMC, commonly taught courses in a discipline, etc.).
Jennifer Paris
43:32
There is no consistency in whether or not colleges have an LTC designation or what the threshold for LTC is for those that have it.
David Betancourt
43:41
What about certificates?
Jennifer Paris
44:38
As certificates don't have the same consistency, the focus has been more on the courses that typically transfer (as that is where we can find consistency most easily - using C-ID).
Jennifer Paris
45:02
That was relative to what the OERI is doing. Or are you asking more in general?
Erin Thomas
45:14
@David - agreed. Certificates are relevant too, even if the SCFF doesn't agree.
Jennifer Paris
46:02
For reference, the prior ZTC grants did allow certificates (not just degrees).
David Betancourt
46:16
I am thinking of certificate because of the number of CTE programs that have them as markers for completion.
sally potter
46:33
And ESL
Erin Larson
47:58
In this case the "competitive process" will not be an RFA.
Carrie Consalvi
49:49
I would like to know if we are in compliance…is there a better way to check? I thought we were compliant, but we are on the list Michelle sent out as not compliant.
Jane Ishibashi
51:23
Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know this, but what's MIS?
David Betancourt
52:18
Who would organize, monitor, enforce, all of that?
Erin Thomas
53:00
These are from the CO webinar last week. Career Ed certificates are a crucial element of the future of education.
Abigail Tatlilioglu
53:03
where is the list?
Iris Carroll
53:04
Great question, David.
Sheila Lynch RIO HONDO COLLEGE
53:19
Then, it sounds like the State may send funds to local districts and leave it up to those districts to disperse those funds accordingly, is that so? What would ensure that the OER-enlightened would be involved?
Carrie Consalvi
53:25
Got it, thank you!
Carrie Consalvi
53:36
It was a memo…
Jinan Darwiche
54:19
To prove compliance do colleges need to submit an official report of data from MIS, or counting sections that are marked as OER/ZTC count?
Antonio López
54:47
Will funds be available to print OER for those students who prefer a non-screen version?
Abigail Tatlilioglu
55:09
yes, Jennifer!
Abigail Tatlilioglu
55:12
:)
Mark Carpenter
55:54
Pirate (I guess) online copies of earlier texts are available online for free in earlier editions. Costs of doing this legitimately?
Sarah Bosler
58:36
How many years does the state have to spend the 115 million?
Antonio López
58:42
I agree with Ryan's request for remediation of non-accessible OER.
Melissa Archibald
59:22
Does anyone have updates on whether MyOpenMath was overhauled to meet ADA?
Erin Thomas
59:41
Yes, please lets not lose this important focus on accessibility.
Erin Larson
01:00:06
@Sarah - Funds are available for encumbrance until June 2026.
Sarah Bosler
01:00:14
Thanks Erin.
Ed Izaguirre
01:01:12
Copying Sheila’s questions, because I have the same question (not sure if I missed the answer): Then, it sounds like the State may send funds to local districts and leave it up to those districts to disperse those funds accordingly, is that so? What would ensure that the OER-enlightened would be involved?
Erin Larson
01:02:16
Michelle is correct. The January 2022 grants are not a block grant. There will be specific ties to the requirements of the ZTC legislation.
Sheila Lynch RIO HONDO COLLEGE
01:02:23
Does ASCCC (and, OERI, in particular) have any influence upon what the CO will require?
Sarah Bosler
01:03:17
Maybe we can propose a larger state level list of priorities like accessibility, etc.
sally potter
01:03:25
Yes!
Shirley Miranda Brenes
01:03:43
Great idea @Sarah!
Erin Larson
01:04:38
@Sheila - Michelle is very vocal advocate. :)
Antonio López
01:05:58
Digital Inclusion: Not all students have equitable access to laptops, broadband plans, current operating systems, the latest software required for their course of study. I hope this is taken into account so that we don't exclude students due to assumptions that OER would only be available through a single modality.
Sheila Lynch RIO HONDO COLLEGE
01:06:04
@ Eric—Yes! Michelle and I are colleagues at Rio Hondo and work together regularly.
Jennifer Pakula
01:06:18
Local structure should also include mapping ZTC degrees. Saddleback has 26 ZTC pathways and it took Nicole and I half of summer to manually map out these pathways in excel files.
Sarah Bosler (she/her) Citrus College
01:06:34
Good point @Antonio!
Sheila Lynch RIO HONDO COLLEGE
01:07:30
@ Jennifer. Mapping 26 ZTC pathways! Bravo, Jennifer and Nicole!!
David Betancourt
01:07:38
There is more talk of resources now. So is ZTC about any resources or just textbooks?
Abigail Tatlilioglu
01:08:03
holy moly!! nice job Jennifer and Nicole!
Erin Thomas
01:08:43
@Antonio - yes. Let's keep bringing this up.
Sheila Lynch RIO HONDO COLLEGE
01:10:14
YES!! Copyediting by professionals is a MUST. OER that has not been copyedited fuels the arguments that OER is not high-quality.
Antonio López
01:11:36
Did the tinyurl or bitly that Michelle mentioned ever make it into the chat?
maggie frankel (she/her)
01:12:32
It goes here: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB132&showamends=false
Jinan Darwiche
01:12:53
If a college pays for third party content, hence students pay $0, is that considered ZTC?
Sarah Bosler (she/her) Citrus College
01:13:02
Example: If a course requires art materials but not a textbook it CAN be listed as ZTC, correct?
Jennifer Paris
01:13:02
Thanks, Maggie.
sally potter
01:13:03
tinyurl.com/115forZTC
Antonio López
01:13:11
Thanks for the link.
maggie frankel (she/her)
01:13:17
:)
Shirley Miranda Brenes
01:13:44
Materials cost is indeed separate from textbook costs.
Sarah Bosler (she/her) Citrus College
01:13:58
Thanks
David Betancourt
01:14:56
@Shirely, yes, that is what I thought. Just seemed that the definition, specifically, "textbook", is becoming fluid. :)
Mary McMillan
01:15:28
In section (c) of the legislation (alongside the low-cost concern) this stands out to me: “Discretionary student printing of instructional materials shall not be considered a cost as part of this program.” I can see that opening a can of worms if it isn’t made clear what is meant by “discretionary.”
Jennifer Paris
01:15:29
Textbook = course resources/content (so homework systems are considered part of textbook costs, for instance)
David Betancourt
01:15:29
Will the PPP slides be available/sent?
Jennifer Paris
01:15:51
They will be posted with the archive on the website.
Andi (she/her)
01:15:52
Since 115M is not related to OERI - do we know whether OERI will be funded beyond current timeline?
Mary McMillan
01:16:24
I meant section 5. : )
Jinan Darwiche
01:16:37
Thank you Michelle and Jennifer, and everyone!
David Betancourt
01:17:04
This session was so informative. Thank you Michelle for facilitating and thank you Jennifer for expertly managing.
Jennifer Paris
01:17:14
You're welcome, David!
Jennifer Paris
01:17:25
and Jinan!
Abigail Tatlilioglu
01:17:44
Thank you Michelle and Jennifer
Antonio López
01:18:10
Please don't end the session until I've read the whole chat. I'm only half way through!
Carol Hobson - Hartnell College
01:18:31
@Antonio, you can save the chat
Jean Proppe
01:18:38
Thank you Michelle and Jennifer.