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Navigating Acronyms and Icons - Approaches to Marking No-Cost Sections - Shared screen with speaker view
Jane Ishibashi
27:56
Do the free materials have to be digital?
Sarah Bosler
29:23
Isn’t OER no cost unless you are printing it?
Jane Ishibashi
29:23
What constitutes low cost?
Talwinder Chetra
29:29
what is difference between those?
Emily Campbell
30:01
And could copyrighted materials be used and still be low cost? (Why just OER?)
Sarah Bosler
30:29
if it uses Creative Commons licensing that makes it open and free
Richard Gentry
31:58
Printed Lab Materials.
Sarah Bosler
32:04
low cost only if you need to print something and it’s under a “certain” threshold $$
Graciela Martinez
32:44
what is the cut off for LOW COST
Talwinder Chetra
33:06
sorry for noise
William Vega
33:10
if there are additional support programs that would cost. like Lumen Waymaker
Jane Ishibashi
33:16
If printing is optional, then it would be ZTC not low cost? Only required reading materials are considered in ZTC?
Talwinder Chetra
34:16
it can be confusing for students.
Sarah Bosler
34:44
Yes @Talwinder and it should not be confusing to students - life is hard enough, right?
Jennifer Paris
34:55
If printing is optional and it can be accessed for free, then yes it should be ZTC.
Jennifer Paris
35:16
But if you require students to print, that changes things.
Talwinder Chetra
38:10
in my experience, students don’t know the these symbols means.
Sarah Bosler
44:01
ASCCC recommendation would be great to help provide guidance.
Jennifer Paris
44:25
We agree, Sarah. :)
Talwinder Chetra
46:23
it can be issues if someone label class as zero cost because they are using OER book. but they are requiring a buy a graphing calculator for $150
Sarah Bosler
46:32
What about courses that require a text but meet what the campus determines is low cost. i.e. the total course cost is under $50. This would not be marked then, right?
Sarah Bosler
47:42
So SB1359 only marks No Cost, not Low Cost, correct?
Jennifer Paris
47:51
Correct, Sarah.
Sarah Bosler
47:58
ok, thx
Cynthia Sheaks
48:17
I love integrating this into the textbook selection process! In the spring, I asked our campus bookstore (B & N) and they said this is coming but not available now
Jennifer Paris
48:54
Some campuses are doing that outside of being required to. But what they consider low cost is a college (or maybe district) decision.
Richard Gentry
50:16
Follette is working on integration too
Sarah Bosler
50:18
so no text req and ztc would both be free but specifies the dif.
Sarah Bosler
50:28
SO for reporting this would be easier
Sarah Bosler
51:09
would schedule then have two sep boxes, say a student would check to see all no cost classes?
Sarah Bosler
51:25
boxes/filters
Jane Ishibashi
52:29
If there is a no cost designation because there is no textbook, but an additional cost, like lab cost--that sounds confusing
Michelle Oja
53:10
Is there research to show that students really don't care if their free textbook is digital versus hard-copy?
Anthony Lin
54:07
Are there best practices for implementing ZTC/Low cost that we can refer to until the new definitions can be adopted at the state level?
Sarah Bosler
55:36
if are not marking low cost then the dollar threshold doesn’t really matter then, right?
Sarah Bosler
56:12
I like that, it simplifies thiings
Jane Ishibashi
56:44
Is the recommendation to have an additional no textbook designation mostly because it is a curriculum decision?
Catherine J Day
57:34
But we note "LCNC" which prints out "Low Cost/No Cost materials" on the schedule class info
Sarah Bosler
57:56
It’s helpful I think for a lot of KIN course, for example, or music that might not require a text
Jennifer Paris
59:02
Catherine, it's combined?
Catherine J Day
59:37
yes..we go to a detail page and type in LCNC
Jennifer Paris
01:00:11
How do students know which is no cost and what cost is low cost?
Jennifer Paris
01:00:31
*which is low cost?
Michelle Oja
01:00:45
The college could also have the no-textbook versus free-textbook hidden from students, and just behind the scenes. Again, students probably are focusing on the "free" part.
Richard Gentry
01:01:06
I agree with, Jane.
Emily Campbell
01:01:24
I also think the distinction doesn't matter to students.
Richard Gentry
01:01:36
I think the extra designation muddies the waters further.
Sarah Bosler
01:01:53
I think the part that matters most to students is free or not free. For us, it’s helpful to know ZTC vs. No text req for reporting
Sarah Bosler
01:03:28
no
Michelle Oja
01:03:33
Yes
Jane Ishibashi
01:03:49
Agree
Anthony Lin
01:04:27
It is Zero Textbook Cost, but some other costs are involved
Phil Parker
01:05:34
Is there a section, like we see in our ballots, that explains costs for each class? Course description, then cost to student listed, such as texts, goggles, paints, calculator etc.
Jennifer Paris
01:06:06
If someone has that Phil, I would love to see that.
Michelle Oja
01:06:37
I was wondering that, too, @Phil. Do classes that require a graphing calculator now include that in the schedule? Or that require buying safety supplies or art supplies?
Jennifer Paris
01:06:48
We are supposed to list all required materials on our textbook adoption form, so that the bookstore can provide that.
Michelle Oja
01:07:24
Or are these additional supplies in the catalog, but not the schedule? Or not anywhere, but the syllabus?
Cynthia Sheaks
01:07:42
On my campus, we have also been trying to find funds to pay for supplies and calculators to alleviate the burden on students.
Graciela Martinez
01:09:10
Welding, Nursing, Culinary, Arts, Photo Courses have forced costs
Sarah Bosler
01:09:32
so those could essentially never be ZTC even if the faculty select OER?
Michelle Oja
01:09:53
They could, if the costs are paid by the college or industry.
Sarah Bosler
01:10:11
ah, ok… so it is limiting… so we can never lump ZTC with free course materials
Sarah Bosler
01:10:24
Good point @Michelle
Anthony Lin
01:12:04
Should we disclose up-front what other costs might be involved if a class is Zero Textbook Cost but other costs might be involved?
Michelle Oja
01:12:47
FYI: This is in the COR for one of our art classes: "Additional Required Materials: A list of required art materials will be provided to each student with the syllabus on their first day of attendance."
Anthony Lin
01:14:58
Thank you, Michelle and Jennifer. I agree.
Sarah Bosler
01:21:35
at least there are cute animals involved. LOL
Sarah Bosler
01:22:34
Agreed Mark
Richard Gentry
01:22:35
Yes.
Michelle Oja
01:23:06
Yes, students swirl. The more consistent, the better. On the other hand, each college has different needs, so some fixes might not work for everyone.
Anthony Lin
01:23:19
Ideally, yes. Especially now that we have the CVC.
Jane Ishibashi
01:23:47
Hard to get everyone to agree.....
Becky Rudd
01:24:14
If we can't individually figure it out on a campus, how would we get all of the colleges to use one approach? It's a nice idea in theory.
Sarah Bosler
01:24:23
This help clarify that maybe we could move away from LCNC and go with just ZTC
Jennifer Paris
01:28:48
I think LCNC (when combined) isn't in compliance with the regulation as it doesn't designate which classes have no cost.
Sarah Bosler
01:29:49
Noted…
Sarah Bosler
01:31:06
What further complicates this… is that for some classes the library has ebooks available (but some are just 1 user… etc.
Anthony Lin
01:31:08
Thank you, Michelle and Jennifer. Even though the issues are muddy, I think I have a clearer idea of where to start the conversation at our campus.