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Do the free materials have to be digital?
Isn’t OER no cost unless you are printing it?
What constitutes low cost?
what is difference between those?
And could copyrighted materials be used and still be low cost? (Why just OER?)
if it uses Creative Commons licensing that makes it open and free
Printed Lab Materials.
low cost only if you need to print something and it’s under a “certain” threshold $$
what is the cut off for LOW COST
sorry for noise
if there are additional support programs that would cost. like Lumen Waymaker
If printing is optional, then it would be ZTC not low cost? Only required reading materials are considered in ZTC?
it can be confusing for students.
Yes @Talwinder and it should not be confusing to students - life is hard enough, right?
If printing is optional and it can be accessed for free, then yes it should be ZTC.
But if you require students to print, that changes things.
in my experience, students don’t know the these symbols means.
ASCCC recommendation would be great to help provide guidance.
We agree, Sarah. :)
it can be issues if someone label class as zero cost because they are using OER book. but they are requiring a buy a graphing calculator for $150
What about courses that require a text but meet what the campus determines is low cost. i.e. the total course cost is under $50. This would not be marked then, right?
So SB1359 only marks No Cost, not Low Cost, correct?
I love integrating this into the textbook selection process! In the spring, I asked our campus bookstore (B & N) and they said this is coming but not available now
Some campuses are doing that outside of being required to. But what they consider low cost is a college (or maybe district) decision.
Follette is working on integration too
so no text req and ztc would both be free but specifies the dif.
SO for reporting this would be easier
would schedule then have two sep boxes, say a student would check to see all no cost classes?
If there is a no cost designation because there is no textbook, but an additional cost, like lab cost--that sounds confusing
Is there research to show that students really don't care if their free textbook is digital versus hard-copy?
Are there best practices for implementing ZTC/Low cost that we can refer to until the new definitions can be adopted at the state level?
if are not marking low cost then the dollar threshold doesn’t really matter then, right?
I like that, it simplifies thiings
Is the recommendation to have an additional no textbook designation mostly because it is a curriculum decision?
Catherine J Day
But we note "LCNC" which prints out "Low Cost/No Cost materials" on the schedule class info
It’s helpful I think for a lot of KIN course, for example, or music that might not require a text
Catherine, it's combined?
Catherine J Day
yes..we go to a detail page and type in LCNC
How do students know which is no cost and what cost is low cost?
*which is low cost?
The college could also have the no-textbook versus free-textbook hidden from students, and just behind the scenes. Again, students probably are focusing on the "free" part.
I agree with, Jane.
I also think the distinction doesn't matter to students.
I think the extra designation muddies the waters further.
I think the part that matters most to students is free or not free. For us, it’s helpful to know ZTC vs. No text req for reporting
It is Zero Textbook Cost, but some other costs are involved
Is there a section, like we see in our ballots, that explains costs for each class? Course description, then cost to student listed, such as texts, goggles, paints, calculator etc.
If someone has that Phil, I would love to see that.
I was wondering that, too, @Phil. Do classes that require a graphing calculator now include that in the schedule? Or that require buying safety supplies or art supplies?
We are supposed to list all required materials on our textbook adoption form, so that the bookstore can provide that.
Or are these additional supplies in the catalog, but not the schedule? Or not anywhere, but the syllabus?
On my campus, we have also been trying to find funds to pay for supplies and calculators to alleviate the burden on students.
Welding, Nursing, Culinary, Arts, Photo Courses have forced costs
so those could essentially never be ZTC even if the faculty select OER?
They could, if the costs are paid by the college or industry.
ah, ok… so it is limiting… so we can never lump ZTC with free course materials
Good point @Michelle
Should we disclose up-front what other costs might be involved if a class is Zero Textbook Cost but other costs might be involved?
FYI: This is in the COR for one of our art classes: "Additional Required Materials: A list of required art materials will be provided to each student with the syllabus on their first day of attendance."
Thank you, Michelle and Jennifer. I agree.
at least there are cute animals involved. LOL
Yes, students swirl. The more consistent, the better. On the other hand, each college has different needs, so some fixes might not work for everyone.
Ideally, yes. Especially now that we have the CVC.
Hard to get everyone to agree.....
If we can't individually figure it out on a campus, how would we get all of the colleges to use one approach? It's a nice idea in theory.
This help clarify that maybe we could move away from LCNC and go with just ZTC
I think LCNC (when combined) isn't in compliance with the regulation as it doesn't designate which classes have no cost.
What further complicates this… is that for some classes the library has ebooks available (but some are just 1 user… etc.
Thank you, Michelle and Jennifer. Even though the issues are muddy, I think I have a clearer idea of where to start the conversation at our campus.