Hello! I'm Jane Ishibashi from Fullerton College

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Good morning, Aditi Sapra- Sociology- Rio Hondo College

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Will these slides be shared? Sorry if you said this already.

@Aloha, yes. They will be shared with the archive on the website.

Thanks @Jennifer

If it is separate from OERI - who is making decisions on how this money is spent and how do colleges access it?

Exactly my question

Like maybe buying an unlimited ebook of a textbook? Can these funds be used for this type of thing too?

I am about the definitions for OER: Cable Green and David Wiley both agree that a true OER is free. Period. Low cost text books is a different matter. Also, ZTC: wondering about the difference between ZTC courses, ZTC certificates, ZTC degrees. Is the stance that OERs are no longer what they were defined to be and ZTC is the new OER?

Also, what about fields in which the materials are required by some governing board (nursing for example)

Sorry! My first sentence should have read: I am wondering about . . . .

ZTC is ultimately what matters for students. They don't care if it's OER, if a grant pay for their textbooks, or if faculty are using public domain docs.

I hope that the legislation will allow funds to be spent on providing print copies of OER to students.

My two cents.

@David, some classes might be ZTC without using OER (ex. a tennis class), while some classes that use OER might not qualify as ZTC (because the instructor requires students to buy homework programs)

like calculators

@Shirley, I REALLY like your explanation! Thank you!

Can someone share the language from the chancellor's office that differentiates between textbook costs and other materials costs?

Not all OER is accessible, so in order to avoid lawsuits, I think that we should invest in accessibility remediation software/services for OER coming from vendors that is not accessible

@Patrick, You are welcome.

@Melissa, thank you for your example, clarifies the two and gives me an idea of what to look for on our campus!

@Ryan Good point.

yes, because materials can cost as much as textbooks in some courses...it's just as important

While students probably don't care if it's ZTC or OER, if their faculty are dependent on ZTC materials that suddenly are no longer accessible that could directly impact students.

stretching the not-yet-known parameters for disbursement, consider nationwide searches, competitions and awards for best online courses that could be offered to students, then later as parts become dated, to be parsed and added to next generation of online instruction.

I am not sure where that language is Laurie. If anyone has that handy, please feel free to share.

Are we looking for a threshold for a pathway to qualify as ZTC?

"Low cost" seems too subjective.

We do not use Low Cost at our campus, we only list ZTC in our course sections.

@Ryan - yes.

The focus seems to be on "degrees". It is also how I read the latest info on ZTC from OERI. Is the OERI focused on courses, certificates, degrees, some, or all?

@Jean, in our college, we let Student Government determine what low cost is. They passed a resolution that low-cost was $35.

Thanks @Shirley. That would be quite high for some of my students.

Hi, David. We are trying to move from looking just at courses to looking at programs (TMC, commonly taught courses in a discipline, etc.).

There is no consistency in whether or not colleges have an LTC designation or what the threshold for LTC is for those that have it.

What about certificates?

As certificates don't have the same consistency, the focus has been more on the courses that typically transfer (as that is where we can find consistency most easily - using C-ID).

That was relative to what the OERI is doing. Or are you asking more in general?

@David - agreed. Certificates are relevant too, even if the SCFF doesn't agree.

For reference, the prior ZTC grants did allow certificates (not just degrees).

I am thinking of certificate because of the number of CTE programs that have them as markers for completion.

And ESL

In this case the "competitive process" will not be an RFA.

I would like to know if we are in compliance…is there a better way to check? I thought we were compliant, but we are on the list Michelle sent out as not compliant.

Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't know this, but what's MIS?

Who would organize, monitor, enforce, all of that?

These are from the CO webinar last week. Career Ed certificates are a crucial element of the future of education.

where is the list?

Great question, David.

Then, it sounds like the State may send funds to local districts and leave it up to those districts to disperse those funds accordingly, is that so? What would ensure that the OER-enlightened would be involved?

Got it, thank you!

It was a memo…

To prove compliance do colleges need to submit an official report of data from MIS, or counting sections that are marked as OER/ZTC count?

Will funds be available to print OER for those students who prefer a non-screen version?

yes, Jennifer!

:)

Pirate (I guess) online copies of earlier texts are available online for free in earlier editions. Costs of doing this legitimately?

How many years does the state have to spend the 115 million?

I agree with Ryan's request for remediation of non-accessible OER.

Does anyone have updates on whether MyOpenMath was overhauled to meet ADA?

Yes, please lets not lose this important focus on accessibility.

@Sarah - Funds are available for encumbrance until June 2026.

Thanks Erin.

Copying Sheila’s questions, because I have the same question (not sure if I missed the answer): Then, it sounds like the State may send funds to local districts and leave it up to those districts to disperse those funds accordingly, is that so? What would ensure that the OER-enlightened would be involved?

Michelle is correct. The January 2022 grants are not a block grant. There will be specific ties to the requirements of the ZTC legislation.

Does ASCCC (and, OERI, in particular) have any influence upon what the CO will require?

Maybe we can propose a larger state level list of priorities like accessibility, etc.

Yes!

Great idea @Sarah!

@Sheila - Michelle is very vocal advocate. :)

Digital Inclusion: Not all students have equitable access to laptops, broadband plans, current operating systems, the latest software required for their course of study. I hope this is taken into account so that we don't exclude students due to assumptions that OER would only be available through a single modality.

@ Eric—Yes! Michelle and I are colleagues at Rio Hondo and work together regularly.

Local structure should also include mapping ZTC degrees. Saddleback has 26 ZTC pathways and it took Nicole and I half of summer to manually map out these pathways in excel files.

Good point @Antonio!

@ Jennifer. Mapping 26 ZTC pathways! Bravo, Jennifer and Nicole!!

There is more talk of resources now. So is ZTC about any resources or just textbooks?

holy moly!! nice job Jennifer and Nicole!

@Antonio - yes. Let's keep bringing this up.

YES!! Copyediting by professionals is a MUST. OER that has not been copyedited fuels the arguments that OER is not high-quality.

Did the tinyurl or bitly that Michelle mentioned ever make it into the chat?

It goes here: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB132&showamends=false

If a college pays for third party content, hence students pay $0, is that considered ZTC?

Example: If a course requires art materials but not a textbook it CAN be listed as ZTC, correct?

Thanks, Maggie.

tinyurl.com/115forZTC

Thanks for the link.

:)

Materials cost is indeed separate from textbook costs.

Thanks

@Shirely, yes, that is what I thought. Just seemed that the definition, specifically, "textbook", is becoming fluid. :)

In section (c) of the legislation (alongside the low-cost concern) this stands out to me: “Discretionary student printing of instructional materials shall not be considered a cost as part of this program.” I can see that opening a can of worms if it isn’t made clear what is meant by “discretionary.”

Textbook = course resources/content (so homework systems are considered part of textbook costs, for instance)

Will the PPP slides be available/sent?

They will be posted with the archive on the website.

Since 115M is not related to OERI - do we know whether OERI will be funded beyond current timeline?

I meant section 5. : )

Thank you Michelle and Jennifer, and everyone!

This session was so informative. Thank you Michelle for facilitating and thank you Jennifer for expertly managing.

You're welcome, David!

and Jinan!

Thank you Michelle and Jennifer

Please don't end the session until I've read the whole chat. I'm only half way through!

@Antonio, you can save the chat

Thank you Michelle and Jennifer.