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August 2020 Coordinators Org. Monthly Online Meeting
Kandace Knudson
21:50
Kandace’s email: SCCDE@scc.losrios.edu
Michelle Pacansky-Brock
24:42
FYI - Registration for Fall 2020 @ONE courses is now open. https://catalog.onlinenetworkofeducators.org/
Kandace Knudson
24:59
Thanks, Michelle!
Treisa Cassens
32:21
thanks Erin!
Brian Weston
35:27
Where does the terminology for Distance Education courses live currently in the guidelines? In recommended or required?
Jen KG, Ventura College
35:35
Well said Jodie.
Kandace Knudson
36:39
DECO meeting survey link: https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5713745/Survey-of-Topics-for-DECOMonthly-Online-Meetings-2020-2021-copy
Erin Larson
38:08
@Brian, if you are referring to the 3-tier definition, that is in the "recommendation" document.
Brian Weston
38:32
Thats the one Erin. Thank you!
Jodie Steeley
38:59
@Brian Terminology currently only resides in the definition of DE and sections 55200 of title 5. Recommendations from the field (FO, PO, OPA) will be in a compendium and will be based upon local definitions. I strongly encourage districts to not use "synchronous" or "asynchronous" but rather DE and either hybrid or not.
Jodie Steeley
40:00
All Distance Education is where student and instructor are separated by space, the "time" they are separated is either scheduled (partially online/hybrid) or not.
Michelle Pacansky-Brock
40:17
TechConnect Cloud is the new name for 3CMedia Solutions, is that correct?
Moses Wolfenstein
40:41
Is this connected to PlayPosit?
Joanna Miller
40:56
We will be sure to clarify that in the Q&A Michelle.
Joanna Miller
41:15
July 3
Jodie Steeley
43:42
@Barney What standards for procurement are being applied to digital tool adoption? Who evaluates tools for privacy, security, ADA, and compatability with multiple devices?
Kandace Knudson
44:01
And equity
Senya Lubisich (she/her)
44:44
Did the Ally end date adjust? I had thought that support continued through December.
Thomas Canepa
44:56
Does this mean that Cranium Café will not be funded after December 31st?
Moses Wolfenstein
45:10
Yeah cloud
Lisa Beach
45:14
Will NetTutor continue to be subsidized (as opposed to free) after December 31?
Sharon Oxford
45:46
I have the same question as Lisa
John Forbes
46:05
Or more broadly, when would we know what products would be funded past Dec 31?
Erin Larson
46:15
@Senya, yes, that date was adjusted after the memo went out. Ally is covered through December.
Andrea Hanstein
46:20
@Thomas, the CVC-OEI will provide a online counseling platform post December 31, 2020. Whether or not that will be Cranium Cafe remains to be seen as their contract will be up and cannot be extended.
Lisa Beach
46:48
@Erin - weird that the Ally folks are not making that clear
Senya Lubisich (she/her)
46:55
Thank you, Erin!
Scott Vigallon
47:14
Chances of Labster, Proctorio, and Ally being extended?
Andrea Hanstein
47:33
@Lisa and @Sharon, NetTutor funding ends for non-Consortium Colleges on December 31, 2020, but Pisces remains free. NetTutor will remain funded for Consortium colleges through June 30, 2021.
Lisa Beach
48:10
@Andrea - thank you. Just wondering if it will go back to having a reduced/subsidized price after that
Lisa Beach
48:19
For non-consortium colleges
Andrea Hanstein
48:29
NetTutor pricing through College Buys will remain in place.
Erin Larson
48:30
@Scott - The CCCCO is evaluating which tools will be extended past December. No decisions have been made yet.
Anita Crawley
48:31
@Andrea - how about Cranium Café?
Kandace Knudson
48:33
Can you share those procurement standards?
Andrea Hanstein
49:11
@Anita, the CVC-OEI will provide a online counseling platform post December 31, 2020. Whether or not that will be Cranium Cafe remains to be seen as their contract will be up and cannot be extended.
Lisa Beach
49:27
Thank you, Andrea!
Cynthia Dewar (she/her/hers)
49:30
We have concerns with the camera features in Proctorio not reading students with darker skin tones.
Scott Vigallon
49:32
@Erin: thanks. Is there a timeline?
Lisa Beach
50:05
@Cynthia - yes!!!
Anita Crawley
50:18
@Andrea - thanks - when do you anticipate the decision being made?
Erin Larson
51:18
@Scott - Maybe by end of September. Don't quote me on that, though.
Lisa Beach
52:01
I don't think saying that "there will be a variety of equity issues" is sufficient to address the spectrum of equity issues regarding Proctorio and required use of a camera
Senya Lubisich (she/her)
52:14
@Lisa...thank you!
Andrea Hanstein
52:39
@Anita, as Erin mentioned, we are waiting for the CO’s system-wide procurement guidelines and will then begin the process. I wish I had a date, but I don’t. We will be as fast as we can.
Vivian Varela
53:02
If our call is to equity then all decisions should privilege equity
Lené Whitley-Putz
53:08
Interesting article about proctoring: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/proctoring-apps-subject-students-unnecessary-surveillance
Lisa Beach
53:11
@Vivian - yes!
Treisa Cassens
53:55
this is a great conversation … thanks all - gives me some great things for discussion at my campus as well
Jodie Steeley
55:40
@Cynthia...so many equity issues regarding effective use of surveillance software that are in addition to the procurement points I mentioned. Best practices are needed so we can use the product to improve teaching and learning and avoid impulse adoption (buying). There are no magic tools that are equal to effective teaching and learning practices that do not require fancy tools.
John Forbes
56:02
RE: the Adobe licensing - that price is for 6 mo. and per student, not FTES
Anita Crawley
56:41
Canvas Commons has a 2020 Quest program with a self-assessment rather than SmarterMeasure for all to use
Kandace Knudson
57:19
@Jodie and @Cynthia we should discuss this in a future meeting. We have been having discussions at our campus about the inequities of surveillance software—lots to consider, as you mentioned.
Moses Wolfenstein
57:22
@Anita What’s the best way to find it (search terms)
Cynthia Dewar (she/her/hers)
57:23
@Jodie…yes! Sounds like a presentation topic for a future meeting!
Lisa Beach
57:35
Absolutely
Jodie Steeley
57:42
We attended Grackle yesterday and it was a strong salespitch. I'm not sure who is a google school in higher ed? We should be careful about recommending redundant products. It's very confusing and causes people to look at the tool rather than how the tool CAN help an instructor meet unit objectives and student learning outcomes.
Thomas Canepa
58:09
We haven't got any announcement of Pronto funding ending. right now we still have it. When is current Pronto contract ending?
Moses Wolfenstein
58:17
Yes! Equity in assessment is a necessary and timely topic!
Anita Crawley
58:27
Quest for Online Success 2020
Jodie Steeley
58:48
Anita's Course in Commons is incredible! She has both a SmarterMeasure course AND one that untangles SM from Student Online Readiness.
Xochitl Tirado
59:19
@Thomas -our Pronto trial or free period ended at the end of Spring 2020
Lisa Beach
59:44
Not just FERPA - equity
Katie Datko
01:00:10
Yes, Thomas, ours ended June 30 2020 as well.
Moses Wolfenstein
01:00:39
There’s also a FERPA issue with combined sections and ConferZoom
Andrea Hanstein
01:00:42
@Thomas, Pronto offered all CCCs a free trial which ended June 30, 2020. The system didn’t hold a contact with them, but they do have negotiated pricing with College Buys.
Andrea Hanstein
01:01:04
All College Buys contracts can be found at https://spark.adobe.com/page/TavBbJcbYLjGi/.
Thomas Canepa
01:01:05
Our Pronto subscription is still going, and I don't believe we're paying for it. Not sure how that is happening.
Moses Wolfenstein
01:01:15
It would really help if ConferZoom supported scheduling sections
Lisa Beach
01:01:55
@Moses - yes, and if they would reprise their auto connection between Zoom and 3C/Cloud
Jodie Steeley
01:01:57
@Moses. Right. ConferZoom in Canvas is very different than Zoom use with a browser.
Jon Stocker Merced College
01:03:03
How about we discuss [in the future] use of DVD's and copyrighted materials in DE?
Jennifer Kienzle
01:03:06
We love Pronto!
Eric Hanson
01:03:08
Pronto is gaining more and more traction I think
Cynthia Dewar (she/her/hers)
01:03:12
We love Pronto!!!
Jon Stocker Merced College
01:03:12
We use Pronto extensiviely
Piper Rooney
01:03:13
Pronto is very popular at GCC
Darnell Kemp
01:03:15
We love it
Moses Wolfenstein
01:03:18
Picked up Pronto, love it
Jennifer Kienzle
01:03:19
Students LOVE Pronto
Katie Datko
01:03:19
YES! We love it!
Lené Whitley-Putz
01:03:20
We love Pronto
Jon Stocker Merced College
01:03:22
Wildly popular
Thomas Canepa
01:03:27
Pronto is very widely used at Merced College. It had a bigger uptake than even Zoom.
Jodi Reed
01:03:28
Our teachers disliked it
Matthew Moore from the Simi Valley Workshop
01:03:47
We have mixed opinions at VC.
Eric Hanson
01:03:52
The Pronto Representatives are very reasonable as well
Pamela J. Bimbi
01:03:56
ARC faculty also had a love hate with it during our trail; we did not continue with it
Katie Datko
01:03:58
They are amazing! Very responsive to our needs, updating the platform as needed. We work with them often.
Alice Dieli
01:04:06
A few faculty liked it, most did not!
Jodie Steeley
01:04:12
Predatory Vendors are being exposed now. It was one thing to offer free tools to get us through in the immediate but long term legacy funding after depending on a tool is problematic. For example, Turnitin is not trying to offer "free" Math tool but we know that Turnitin will only do Enterprise licenses after.
Lené Whitley-Putz
01:04:58
Predatory publishers!!
Kandace Knudson
01:05:05
Yes!
Joanna Miller
01:05:28
Equity in assessment is a necessary and timely topic!
I will add to our topics list!
Dan Barnett
01:05:46
Status of Canvas Studio?
Eric Hanson
01:05:58
Turnitin has destroyed most competition having acquired Vericite, UniCheck, and SimCheck. They then gouge colleges with extreme pricing.
Joanna Miller
01:06:00
Canvas Studio is ours until 2022!
Andrea Hanstein
01:06:12
Joanna is correct :)
Darnell Kemp
01:06:13
Yes, Grading for Equity is an excellent book Joanna. Trying to see if my college will embrace it
Kandace Knudson
01:06:22
Agree, @Eric
Thomas Canepa
01:06:38
I'm thinking about our most used tools. Pronto is a widely used tool, and Cranium Café is now being piloted by a number of our Student Services groups, because of important features not included in Zoom.
Alice Dieli
01:07:03
@Eric, and now Gradescope!
Lené Whitley-Putz
01:07:16
We need more support for adopting and integrating tools, too. Each campus should not reinvent the wheel.
Lisa Beach
01:07:33
@Lene - absolutely
Darnell Kemp
01:07:38
Google has now built in a plagiarism checker into assignment (of course we aren't Google schools). Wish Office would follow
Eric Hanson
01:08:02
Would be great if the State of Ca could create a plagiarism tool to be used across the UC, CSU, and CCC!!! Would save the state a ton of money.
Michelle Pacansky-Brock
01:08:13
And to build on to Lene’s point, we need to ensure that teaching faculty are included on the CollegeBuys/Foundation committee that decides which teaching tools we secure a consortium pricing for.
Anita Crawley
01:08:15
How would you handle this one? This is not necessarily a tech question - here was a recent incident that took place during an instructors ConferZoom session that was brought to our attention earlier today via a help desk ticket.During the instructors recorded ConferZoom session “a naked female walked into her boyfriend's room”. This student had their video turned on so this was visually present to the instructor and presumably to other students in the session in real time.
Jodie Steeley
01:08:38
Gradescope! That's the Math tool from Turnitin. It is pushed as a tool to help instructors grade faster rather than being focused on improving teaching and learning around objectives and student learning outcomes.
Lisa Beach
01:08:55
@Anita 0_0
Lené Whitley-Putz
01:09:07
TurnItIn is fundamentally corrupt.
Lené Whitley-Putz
01:09:24
They monetize our student data. Absolutely horrendous.
Treisa Cassens
01:09:24
the California Community college library group has a turn-it-in rate as well …
Jon Stocker Merced College
01:09:30
"Naked females" in a zoom sounds like a student code of conduct issue
Treisa Cassens
01:09:56
ye s- ERIC!!!
Alice Dieli
01:10:16
great to see everyone!
Pamela J. Bimbi
01:10:23
Thank you all for this lively discussion!
Senya Lubisich (she/her)
01:10:28
Thanks everyone!
Moses Wolfenstein
01:10:28
Thanks all!