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Analysis, Evaluation and Collaboration: AB 705 for Institutional Research Professionals - Shared screen with speaker view
xli
26:44
I can hear you
ryanbs
40:21
The verbiage you displayed says completed within two semesters, not during the first two semesters. This is important with regards to first-time students who were previously dual enrolled. Count them in the cohort or not?
Craig Hayward
41:10
SCFF focuses on completion in the first year.
Craig Hayward
41:39
Whereas the AB 705 clock starts when the student takes their first course in the sequence.
William Silver
42:27
I have seen charts reporting throughput that either doesn't specify time frame or specifies first term completion not two term completion.
Craig Hayward
43:08
In general, the time frame of throughput caclulations can be flexibly specified, as appropriate.
Craig Hayward
43:27
For AB 705 math & English, though, the time frame has been set by the CO.
Craig Hayward
43:44
(i.e., two semesters or three quarters)
Rajinder Samra
43:48
The slides are not coming up correctly... missing wording due to blanks... anyone else experiencing this?
Tyler Nguyen
43:59
same for me
Craig Hayward
44:04
Yes, Raj. I am seeing that, as well.
luis.flores
44:06
@Rajinder---yeah, seeing like a white box blocking some text.
Keiry Borruel
44:25
Me too!
ryanbs
44:27
what constitutes a first attempt? Enrolled at census?
Rajinder Samra
44:33
Thanks, Terrence.
Craig Hayward
44:35
Yes, Ryan.
Craig Hayward
44:47
A transcriptable attempt.
Craig Hayward
45:00
One that would be reported to the CO in the MIS.
nwright
46:29
Can you please provide the link to access tomorrow's webinar that was just mentioned? I don't see it on the list of workshop events on the RP group website. Thank you.
Kyle Crider
47:16
its better
Craig Hayward
47:16
I think the screen issue is fixed
kevin.curwin
47:21
screen appears fine for me
Stephanie Ingalls
47:24
It looks ok
Kristina Oganesian
47:25
It looks good now!
Elizabeth Villalobos
47:31
good now :-)
John Hetts
47:37
@All - The guidance has been developed using first attempt success rates at transfer-level. This makes it a relatively conservative benchmark - it’s easier to clear than one that would allow for students that start at the transfer-level to retake the course.
luis.flores
48:02
Thursday, November 1411 to 12 pmJoin here on the date and time: https://cccconfer.zoom.us/j/926022616This webinar focuses on outcomes of DSPS students in transfer-level English and math courses. We will be joined by Antelope Valley College and Los Medanos College to share how they are supporting DSPS students as well as the California Community College Chancellor’s Office to answer your questions.
John Hetts
48:14
Sorry that was @WilliamSilver’s question about the throughput rates being used as guidance.
William Silver
48:29
Is the graph for one term completion or two term completion?
John Elder
48:55
we have a good number of students that have been out of HS for a while and may not remember or know their HS GPA, how would you suggest getting HS GPA for those individuals?
Craig Hayward
49:18
Self-report. If not available, then use guided self-placement.
John Elder
49:45
fortunately we have that tool created
Greg Menchaca
51:14
When will colleges receive feedback from the CCCCO regarding thier AB705 Adoption Plan?
John Hetts
51:17
@JohnElder - for most purposes now, since we’re mostly determine what level of support they might be best served by, knowing a general range will be sufficient.
mtsai
51:28
Is cohort degree seekers only?
John Hetts
51:52
@Greg The AB705 Adoption Plan feedback are nearly finalized and should be coming out soon.
John Hetts
52:07
*feedback reports
John Hetts
58:55
Right side blocked again.
John Hetts
59:01
better
Kristina Oganesian
01:04:07
Could you please refresh this slide? The right side is blocked.
Kristina Oganesian
01:04:18
Yes, thank you!
Craig Hayward
01:05:36
https://rpgroup.org/Portals/0/Documents/Projects/MultipleMeasures/Publications/AB705_Gender_Ethnicity.pdf
William Silver
01:07:46
It would be helpful to see some written discussion/details of the two different policy rules affecting when two semesters begin and reach completion.
Craig Hayward
01:09:03
What is Chancellor's Office threshhold for success if district REQUIRES coreq of 2 or more units of pre-transfer coursework to support transfer-level course in English?
Craig Hayward
01:10:18
Students directed to corequisite courses should have a higher level of success than similar students (i.e., in the same HS GPA band) who are taking the transfer-level course without the corequisite support.
Lan Hao
01:17:32
Regarding "Needing only show that students who participate in the coreq are more likely to succeed than similar students who do not... " -- there will be no similar students found - if their HSGPA requires them to take the coreq, they have to take coreq.
Craig Hayward
01:18:04
@Lan -- historical data could be used.
Lan Hao
01:19:03
@Craig - thanks
Craig Hayward
01:19:15
You're welcome. :)
Craig Hayward
01:19:30
@Lan 2 -- Also, it is often the case that our systems are more porous than we would think, so there may still be students showing up in transfer-level work who could form a comparison group.
Craig Hayward
01:20:37
@Lan final -- some colleges may be implementing pilots which affect only a portion of the incoming student cohort, in which case there would also be similar HSGPA students in both the coreq. and the transfer-only groups.
mtsai
01:20:43
about time frame for annual reporting is still confusing - do we include students who started first course in Spring term but not having two semesters to track in the cohort for annual report?
John Hetts
01:20:53
@lan - also, you could use regression discontinuity or at least comparison of students on either side of the cutoff for some opportunities for comparison.
xli
01:22:08
I have the same question with mtsai: are FT Spring term students included in the cohort?
Craig Hayward
01:22:46
So, there is the annual AB 1805 reporting. That does not include outcome data, just placement info.
John Hetts
01:22:53
@mtsai - The annual mandated reporting is about placement of students.
Craig Hayward
01:23:14
For the evaluation templates, those would be centered around each cohort.
John Hetts
01:23:22
(What Craig said on both things)
ryanbs
01:23:53
the regression discontinuity is proving tricky to find enough students who reported a full 3.10 or 2.95 GPA opposed to just 3.0
Lara Triona
01:24:20
What I heard is that if students have high school data they cannot choose their course through guided self-placement. This seems to create an inequity in that students who went to HS can be required to take a coreq, and so forth, but international students or others can choose through the self-placement process. Am I missing important info?
Craig Hayward
01:24:22
Once you have multiple cohorts that have finished their two-semester (or three quarter) run, the results on the templates could be combined into one larger group, for additional power & reliability.
Craig Hayward
01:24:59
@ryanbs -- I feel your pain!
John Hetts
01:25:13
@ryanbs you might need to expand the size of the GPA categories…
John Hetts
01:26:03
@ryan but yeah, the .5 increments are strong attractors especially for students further out of high school.
Paula Kincaid
01:26:14
is this power point going to be available to us?
Craig Hayward
01:26:34
@Lara Triona -- AB 705 has been talked about as a right to access to transfer. So, even though the law does not explicitly require students to be able to self-place higher when they have a HS GPA, it may be a good local practice to allow that in cases where students are insistent about wanting to access transfer-level work without the coreq. support.
Paula Kincaid
01:26:42
thank you!
ryanbs
01:27:36
Thanks everyone! I hope the RP group houses a location where we can share our evaluations with other colleges.
Craig Hayward
01:27:50
Good idea!
Kyle Crider
01:27:52
Thanks everyone!
John Hetts
01:27:54
@Lara - colleges could allow students to opt out of required support at their local discretion. The problem is that it can’t be used as a method to get around the high school placements to place students lower.
Lara Triona
01:29:07
Thanks for the response Craig and John.