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October 2021 DE Coordinators Org. Meeting
Jim Julius (he/him)
19:02
“If described in the course outline of record or distance education addendum”
Piper Rooney
20:12
“as described in the course outline of record or distance education addendum” - wouldn’t that assure that we keep student-to-student?
Suzanne Wakim
21:08
So, if the COR doesn't specify student-student interaction, then instructors don't need it? We've not included it because I thought it was assumed. Or do we need to add it to the COR?
Ingrid Greenberg
21:19
If the edit includes "course outline of record," does that mean colleges need to update all DE CORs?
Piper Rooney
21:29
We have a requirement in our DE Addenda
Suzanne Wakim
21:41
We do on the addendum but not the COR
Marina Aminy
21:56
Suzanne, that's my concern too. Most of our COR do not indicate this information, but we have it in the addenda.
Piper Rooney
22:06
“as” would keep it as a requirement in either the COR or DE Addendum
Jodie Steeley
22:14
Is the addenda considered to be an extension of the COR?
Jim Julius (he/him)
22:15
That’s why DECO suggested adding “or DE addendum”
Marina Aminy
22:37
@Jim, that would be better.
Suzanne Wakim
23:09
But even adding it to the addendum is tricky. Our addendum asks that but quotes title 5 as the reason for the question. That becomes super circular...
Marina Aminy
23:46
Yes
Treisa Cassens
24:28
Agreed - DE addendum is more appropriate - please
Erin Larson
24:32
"if described in the course outline of record or distance education addendum"
Dawn Heuft
25:31
student to student interaction would be different in a competency based course. Putting it in the COR would allow you to shift based on type of course.
Jodie Steeley
25:36
Do we anticipate guidelines from the CCCCO to accompany title 5?
Jim Julius (he/him)
25:59
Jodie, Erin has indicated that the CCCCO has disavowed issuing guidelines
Suzanne Wakim
26:39
So we are basically saying "if you feel like having students interact"? So, why have it at all? [Agree that some courses don't need it, but if we leave it wide open, then there's no reason for it].
Moses Wolfenstein
26:49
My concern here is that there are many faculty who can but simply don’t want to
Piper Rooney
27:01
collaboration is one of the soft-skills our students will need for 21st century employment.
Suzanne Wakim
27:17
@Moses - yes. It becomes totally optional (which is silly for a regulation).
Piper Rooney
27:24
@Moses, yes at GCC too!
Jodie Steeley
28:12
@Jim "Disavowed?"
Bob Nash
28:47
CBE and courses serving incarcerated students create challenges for student-student interaction.
Angela Cardinale (she/her)
28:57
Yes, the incarcerated issue is huge
Marina Aminy
29:18
Those are good examples, Bob -- we need some flexibility.
Piper Rooney
29:25
Student-to-Student can be discussion of practices used on - for example - your previous welding site
Moses Wolfenstein
29:26
I think I’m not the only one who feels that the Federal guidelines were seriously watered down
Ingrid Greenberg
30:02
Suggestion: Edit with "if", "...if described in the COR." This allows colleges/faculty agency.
Jim Julius (he/him)
30:17
Ingrid, that is the suggestion from DECO.
Brett Myhren
30:29
Yes, Ingrid. It allows for more local control.
Brett Myhren
30:54
Bob’s examples are important, too.
Erin Larson
31:06
https://www.cccco.edu/Students/Support-Services/Special-population/Undocumented-Students/Undocumented-Student-Action-Week
Dan Barnett
31:19
Can or should the COR be neutral as to modality?
Piper Rooney
31:45
Bob’s examples are important. CBE confers credit for past experience, yes? So we wouldn’t be able to retroactively impose requirements. Am I wrong?
Brett Myhren
31:57
It seems like the problem with “as” is that it implies that colleges already specify this interaction in their COR, but that may not be the case.
Jim Julius (he/him)
32:12
Piper, no, credit for past experience is different from CBE
Piper Rooney
32:24
Thanks, Jim
Jim Julius (he/him)
32:32
CBE is generally self-paced, highly individualized
Piper Rooney
32:53
Self-paced - is that similar to correspondence?
Bob Nash
32:53
Yes, credit for prior learning (CPL) is different
Piper Rooney
33:00
Thanks, Bob!
Jim Julius (he/him)
33:14
Piper, no, there is extensive student-instructor interaction
Piper Rooney
33:24
Got it. Thank you for those clarifications
Moses Wolfenstein
33:34
CBE requires assessment, but a student who has mastery from prior learning can move directly to assessment
Pamela Bimbi
33:34
@Erin, who did you say is looking into the lab issue?
Erin Larson
34:03
@Pamela - Vice Chancellor Lowe
Piper Rooney
35:34
Thank you, Erin
Robin Kurotori
35:46
That would be helpful. Thanks Erin.
Jodie Steeley
36:31
Thank you Erin!😄
Michelle Pacansky-Brock (she/her)
36:43
Here is the link for the Chancellor’s Office webinar about Competency-Based Education (Oct 6). https://www.3cmediasolutions.org/privid/355389?key=e92e1cb86ee5657edf8d479c33ab1461083f667f
Piper Rooney
36:54
thank you!
Pamela Bimbi
37:01
thank you!
Erin Larson
37:03
Thanks Michelle
Michelle Pacansky-Brock (she/her)
37:37
You’re welcome. 🙂
Jennifer Kienzle
48:12
But POCR certified courses will have a badge on it, correct?
Wendy Riggs (she/her)
48:21
Do POCR-certified courses have any kind of "advantage?"
Andrea Hanstein
48:36
@Jennifer, yes. I will explain more in a minute :)
Jennifer Kienzle
48:46
@Andrea, thanks!
Piper Rooney
48:59
And now ZTC POCR badged courses will be most privileged in a search, I think (?)
Jennifer Kienzle
49:30
Is it the course married to the instructor who aligned the course that gets the badge?
Jennifer Kienzle
49:41
Lol
Suzanne Wakim
49:51
I feel like I'm married to my classes...
Wendy Riggs (she/her)
50:04
Dude...@Suzanne...indeed...
Leslie Reeves
50:13
I am concerned that sometimes course sections that are not aligned to the rubric are showing up on the Exchange with the Quality Reviewed badge.
Joanna Grimes She/Her/Hers
50:14
Thank you for clarifying that.
Carol Impara
51:14
What if the course was aligned and became ZTC after CVC awarded the badge?
Andrea Hanstein
51:40
ahanstein@cvc.edu
Jim Julius (he/him)
52:03
Yes, sometimes it seems like none of the sections that show up have a badge after clicking on the course where there was a badge displayed
Rebecca Pang
52:06
Do the course with Quality Reviewed badges have better enrollment in the Exchange?
Jory Hadsell
52:12
@Carol, the ZTC data will be pulled automatically from each college SIS, so that badge will appear “automagically” regardless of timing
Carrie Monlux
52:44
Rebecca has a great question re: enrollment data
Jory Hadsell
52:59
@Rebecca, we are gathering that data to understand that. More to come...
Jory Hadsell
53:08
We do have some data to show today
Carrie Monlux
53:57
Thanks Jory!
Rebecca Pang
54:31
Thank you, Jory. The data will help with the promotion of the POCR review process.
Angela Cardinale (she/her)
56:08
That would be GREAT!
Jennifer Kienzle
58:15
I’m curious on how colleges are navigating the demand for synchronous only and how that is influencing online training
Anna Stirling
58:30
So just to clarify - when you say home college courses will show first, that's based on what the student selects as their primary college, correct. If the student skips that or chooses no primary college what is showed first?
Brett Myhren
59:41
So, the other badges do not influence how the course appears in search, right?
Brett Myhren
59:51
Only quality review has an impact?
Carol Impara
01:00:13
I wish the quality reviewed badge was bigger or more prominent. It often looks like one of many and it is easy to miss.
Cynthia Hamlett
01:00:17
I think the difference between the badges may need to be clearer to students - like, seeing all these badges, students may not understand which are quality reviewed or not.
Cynthia Hamlett
01:00:25
@Carol, yes
Jory Hadsell
01:00:27
@Anna - correct, the primary/home college a student selects influences which courses show at the very top of the search results
Scott Vigallon
01:00:37
Does the OEI Consortium badge mean anything to students?
Suzanne Wakim
01:00:38
+1 to Cynthia's comment
Carol Impara
01:00:59
Agree, Scott and Cynthia. Can we verify these are really meaningful to students.
Jory Hadsell
01:01:01
@Brett - the other badges DO influence the search result sort, but the Quality Reviewed badge carries more weight.
John Taylor
01:01:09
As I understand it all badges have importance and cause the course to rise in the listing, but the quality review badge is the most important and will cause the course to rise higher.
Brett Myhren
01:01:19
Got it. Thanks, Jory!
Rebecca Pang
01:01:28
We understand the difference between synchronous and asynchronous courses, but I'm not sure if students understand the difference. Can we add an explanation to it?
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:01:41
Note to folks, I just realized MiraCosta courses weren’t showing up with the Online Readiness badge - it literally just took a quick email to support@cvc.edu to explain the readiness workshops we offer to get that badge added.
Jory Hadsell
01:01:48
@Cynthia - this was some of the feedback we recently received from a focus group conducted by the Student Centered Design Lab. Part of the work Jamie’s group is doing currently is to help clarify the badging so it speaks more clearly to students.
Carol Impara
01:02:07
Good to know Jory.
Cynthia Hamlett
01:02:16
Awesome. Yes, good to know.
Jennifer Kienzle
01:02:20
+1 to Rebecca, plus I imagine each college has a different way of designating what is synchronous vs. asynchronous (100% on Zoom for synchronous?)
Toni Pfister
01:04:20
We are considering going with the term "Live Online" instead of "synchronous" as it seems less cumbersome.
Dr. Kristi Blackburn
01:04:52
@Toni-- I like that idea =)
Brian (he/his/him) Weston
01:05:05
@Rebecca Agree, at least an idea of what to expect.
Toni Pfister
01:05:25
@Kristi: @ONE's idea but we are thinking of borrowing it. ; )
Jory Hadsell
01:05:41
@Toni - YES. We need a common system-wide term for synchronous. One of the issues we know about but if everyone’s not using it consistently…
Cynthia Hamlett
01:06:06
This was very informative.
Jennifer Kienzle
01:06:06
+1 Jory!
Toni Pfister
01:06:14
@jory - right! I wish the term was decided for us. HaHa!
Andrea Hanstein
01:06:36
We will share the PPT with Jim to send out to everyone so you can look at the data on your own.
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:06:36
We use “scheduled online” rather than “synchronous”
Rebecca Pang
01:07:21
We use "scheduled Zoom" for synchronous courses.
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:07:28
DECO will post the slides (including the CVC slides) to the cccdeco.org website.
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:07:54
And will include in a meeting follow-up email.
Brett Myhren
01:08:47
Thanks!
Angela Cardinale (she/her)
01:08:50
This is all super exciting!
Cynthia Hamlett
01:08:54
You all are amazing, as always.
Joy Polanco O'Neil
01:09:00
Super helpful! Thank you.
Cynthia Hamlett
01:09:02
@Angela I think so, too!
Cheryl Chapman, CVC/@ONE
01:09:04
Have a wonderful weekend everyone!
Jory Hadsell
01:09:11
Thanks everybody!
Senya Lubisich (she/her)
01:09:17
Thank you!
Mai Soua Lee
01:09:22
Thank you everyone!
Joanna Grimes She/Her/Hers
01:09:23
Thanks everyone!
Jim Julius (he/him)
01:09:27
https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/6479770/Survey-of-Priorities-for-DECO-Monthly-Online-Meeting-Topics
Chloe McGinley
01:09:28
Thank you!
Carol Impara
01:09:30
Thank you all.
Ken Cooper
01:09:33
Thanks all!!
Dr. Kristi Blackburn
01:09:39
thank you!