Monthly Online DE Coordinators Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Where these changes create greater distance between “regular and substantive interaction” and “regular effective contact” is there likely to be a revisiting of California Title 5 regs? Or will the California regs likely override for us these federal changes?
(Not looking for a definitive response to that, just curious if it has been discussed or if anyone has any particular thoughts)
Dr. Alexa Schumacher, Ph.D
Can we reopen the Survey and make some edits?
Student Survey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mf1Z3R87SoeDDZ522AG6AU0K47I4ezlpK3HVXp_LhKE/edit?usp=sharingFaculty Survey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U7mH9cWm1kk8IA952Y33PMBRXtfD8mzEu678xEP_oOE/edit?usp=sharing
Pfeiffer is not muted
Is “assessment” universally understood by students?
how do campuses deal with dsps accommodations
For the 4th options it might be helpful to expand to "online with flexible assessment or activity" to include service learning, etc.
I am muted on my end
"exam" may be a more commonly understood word.
@Cynthia…do you mean dsps for the proctored assessments?
Proctored Exams - as what Jim described is an activity
I agree. Also what about field trips?
Maybe online with "proctored activities" - since I can collect rocks on my own, but proctoring requires some scheduling with others
Thank you for clarification
I think fully online classes can also have activities that take place out of the home … I think that should be up to the instructor.
I don’t agree with the definition that online must be only inside in your pajamas. I agree that fully online classes can have field trips.
I’m still confused
If a class required synchronous instruction but that is fully online, would it fall into the fully online or into the proctored category?
So if you require a field trip, it would not be scheduled to qualify as a fully online course?
I like Joanna's "in-person requirement" phrasing for the thrid category--it sounds like a more accurate label than "proctored assessment"
We’ve had issues with students that have various conditions (physical and mental) that don’t allow them to leave home. When there are requirements to leave their location, we’ve worked with DSPS to provide accommodations.
Maybe - A fully online class is one where students don't have to be at any particular place
Sure, there could be exceptions and other arrangements.
Are we saying that assignments are not part of contact hours?
What are the key factors that students need to understand to distinguish the types of online class requirements?
fully online: stay at home; never leave home vs. fully online with outside activities (such as museum or theatre performance that they will be assessed on…
Maybe removing the "100% online" part would help, leaving it as "No requirements for on-gound meetings or proctoring"
@cheryl. yes I was just in a meeting with our DSPS director and Assessment trying to understand how to ensure students with DSPS Accommodations. looking for clarity on what services are provided and verified I get what they need (scribe, reader, brain)
fully online = no physical meetings? There may be synchronous "meetings", but are convenient....
I thought the statement that was said “no requirements for SYNCHRONOUS on-ground meetings or proctoring” was clear…I think the “stay in your pajamas statements” are the things that aren’t clear.
Could students find some of this more granular information on the syllabus?
That would make sense, Brett
That or the course footnotes in a college's catalog: It's that way with my online Public Speaking class.
Has there been research done to see what language other systems are using in their definitions?
The intent is to be clear from a student point of view, not a teaching/faculty/curriculum point of view, correct?
Would be awesome to have input from a variety of students if so.
Agree, Jim. We want students to understand and be clear about requirements.
My audio went….I was going to ask about student’s perspective about what is actually in the schedule to decide if they needed to go to campus or not :0)
I agree, Jim. We need to hear from students.
Agree, Cheryl. To me it seems fairly straightforward (but I would like to get students’ perspective). Course is online and
(a) there are some on-campus activities required
Bob - Could you send the link to the DECoords list, as well?
What both Michelle and Jim are asking about will take more time, but I think we may need to take more time to ensure we get it right.
Has anyone used Quest for new /prospective online teachers?
(b) there are no outside-the-home requirements
Thank you so much everyone! I apologize for any confusion over assignments and homework vs. instructional hours. And @Brett you are so right. All of this is to try to determine what is most clear for students! Keep the questions and statements coming!
(c) there are flexible outside-the-home local requirements
I would like to say that we need to make sure that when a student is signing up for a class that we are clearly stating all activities that a student is involved in whether those be tests, field trips, labs, etc.
sorry there was not enought time to respond to Joanna.
Is there a particular format in which CVC-OEI would like the expected outcomes and their indicators expressed?
@Matthew - yes, we appreciate all the comments and questions!
@Matthew That is exactly what the student reps on DEETAC said.
SmarterMeasure+Quest Webinar on April 24, 12 noon, at Zoom: https://cccconfer.zoom.us/j/9448929911
thanks, I am glad that they are being heard
Does anyone know if/when there is going to be a call for colleges to join the Consortium for the 19/20 academic year?
on the budget are indirect costs allowed to be included??
Lisa, I’ve been told that letters of intent to join will be due in June, self-assessments will be due in December
What can be included in supplies and materials for the budget? Fore example, we are using our own laptops, current supplies, so can we include .5% of total cost for general supplies and materials?
Or can we purchase laptops as part of supplies/materials?
@Lisa and @Chelsea, I was wondering that also! If they are DUE in June, when or did the Letter of Intent to Join the 19/20 Consortium, already get sent out? Who is sending out this Letter of Intent?
I spoke with Kate Jordahl last week. I don’t think this info has been officially announced yet, though
@Chelsea, Thank you! Good to know.
@Audrey, you’re welcome :)
@Chelsea, Thank you very much!
How it was communicated in the schedule is key
I think for a lot of colleges there will be a direct connection between implementing the new guidelines and what that means in our schedule
YEs, everything needs to be clear to the student when they are registering
But if that is not the intent, if the DE Guidelines DE class types is supposed to be distinct from student-facing communication, then I think that too needs to be really clear and spelled out in the new DE Guidelines
Having specific timelines would really help campuses plan.
I would really appreciate that timeline to let my AS know what’s going on! Thanks so much!
I think students are more concerned about what they actually sign up for (side note). The expectations need to be clearly defined prior to the first day of class.
same to you
Thank y ou.
Thanks Lisa and all DECO folk!